Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Declared Dead

Merika · 06-08-2006, 07:56 PM

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the most recognizable face of Iraq's violent insurgency, died in a coalition airstrike near Baquba, jubilant U.S. and Iraqi authorities said today. U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad called al-Zarqawi "the godfather of sectarian killing and terror in Iraq" and said his death "marks a great success for Iraq and the global war on terror."
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'Painstaking' operation led to al-Zarqawi
One tip came from al-Zarqawi's own terror network, military says

Thursday, June 8, 2006; Posted: 7:35 p.m. EDT (23:35 GMT)

Iraq
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Betrayal inside his al Qaeda in Iraq terror group led to success in a painstaking U.S.-led operation to kill Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the U.S. military said on Thursday.

The most wanted man in Iraq died in a U.S. airstrike Wednesday evening when two 500-pound bombs slammed into a safe house near Baquba, according to U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell.

"Last night was the first time that we have had definitive, unquestionable information as to exactly where [al-Zarqawi] was located, knowing that we could strike that target without causing collateral damage to other Iraqi civilians and personnel in the area," Caldwell said.

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Vautrin · 06-08-2006, 08:02 PM

"Last night was the first time that we have had definitive, unquestionable information as to exactly where [al-Zarqawi] was located, knowing that we could strike that target without causing collateral damage to other Iraqi civilians and personnel in the area," Caldwell said.

Seven people died, including a kid and a woman. So apparently only men are possibly Iraqi civilians ...

Don't expect too much of the death of Al-Zarqawi, though. The US/UK and Iraqi troops have almost no control of what goes on in the country. Zarqawi was more the "face" of terror, than the mastermind behind the terror, as even the US and UK estimate that Zarqawi's organisation had a marketshare in anti-US/UK/Iraqi government-actions of 9 or 10 percent.

I expect the slaughter going on for a lot longer than this. And when it stops, because George W. Bush decides so, it may well be because a Declaration of War on Iran...

darkangelism · 06-08-2006, 10:01 PM

we wont declare war on iran, we will let isreal do it.

Ayla · 06-12-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by darkangelism

we wont declare war on iran, we will let isreal do it.

I agree.

Merika · 06-15-2006, 04:11 PM

Personally I hate to see Israel put in that position, but since they are one of the few countries left around who still have their balls intact...I'll be proud of them when they do!!!

They've been doing tons of good freebie work in terms of giving away literature, Rabbi's you can speak with online or on the phone 24 hours a day, and really beefing up their PR. I've tried to promote it as much as possible on our site. This shouldn't be their war at all. They are sticking their neck out for all of Europe who continues to pretend their isn't a problem.

sweetbilly · 06-19-2006, 01:55 AM

WHOO HOOO, the wicked witch of the east is dead. Now our path in Mycrack, i mean Iraq, will be paved in Gold!! hehe. Thank God that SOB is dead, now maybe we can stop bring American soldiers home in coffins.

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They are sticking their neck out for all of Europe who continues to pretend their isn't a problem.

It always seems Europe fails to see real threats until it bites them in the arse. Look at all the Islamic fundimentailsts allowed to immigrate to Europens countries over the past few years, now the Europeans are having trouble controlling them. Riots by eastern immigrants in Britan got seriously out of control a couple of years ago, yet they continue to let them in. These people are prone to violence, they love it. Yet every time you turn around Europe is defending them, i just don't understand Europeans at all?

I think we should turn Israel loose and let them dust Iran, maybe those nuts will get the point then? I seriously think Iran is seeing democracy take hold right next door in Iraq and they are scared it will spread throught the middle east. But we can never allow those fruitcakes to produce a nuclear weapon, this would be a grave mistake!!! If the U.S dosen't do anything about Irans nuclear desires i certainly hope Israel does.

Merika · 06-25-2006, 08:56 AM

We are building military bases all over Iraq. 3 are almost complete and I think atleast 9 more are on the board. Due to problems with Iran, this thing will never be over.

sweetbilly · 06-25-2006, 07:29 PM

What's really great about having military bases in Iraq is that it finally gives the U.S a foothold in the middle east to make a difference, we can finally break down social barriers and stigmas and put a different face on Americans than the one which makes us out to be just another western power dead set on conquering the middle east.

I was watching the Discovery channel about the Irianian hostage crisis back in the 80's and they said they had big problem trying to conduct a rescue of those people simply because they didn't have any way to get air support from the Red Sea, the helicoptors couldn't fly that far without some place to land and refuel. So we had to wait and hope they didn't kill all those people.

TKDLady · 06-25-2006, 07:37 PM

I don't think we will have any real affect on breaking down social barriers. We are the infidels and they will never accept our way of living and you know some missionaries will come in there and try to convert some of them. They do everything in the name of Allah and therefore it is right and just. You can't fight that kind of attitude. The best I think we can hope for is coexistence. Besides, it is their country and we need to respect that. Unfortunately, we don't do that when we are in other countries and that is why we have such a rotten reputation. Just my opinion.

sweetbilly · 06-25-2006, 07:49 PM

True Tklady, very true. We really aren't fighting their social concepts of the U.S are we? We're actually fighting against their religious beliefs, which define us as evil. But i guess i believe in the whole "winning of heart and minds" concept as well, i would be willing to second guess what other people have told me about someone if what i have seen with my own two eyes contradicts those beliefs. So even though we may never really change them maybe we can make a significant impact somehow, at least we may get stability and security in the middle east, for a change. I definately think it worth a try even if we don't succeed.

Meanon · 06-26-2006, 07:39 PM

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Riots by eastern immigrants in Britan

They weren't immigrants, they were British. Anyone who buys in to the "us and then" agenda, tarring a whole race or religion with the same brush, does the terrorists job for them in my view. It spreads division and hate, the conditions in which the extremists manage to recruit others into their holy war. I have no problem with people hating evil murderers, but to extend that to anyone Asian living in England (whose parents are from British colonies) is a different matter. I'm half Asian, does that define me too? If so, as far as I'm concerned, that's racism.

Europeans are determined not to let terrorists ruin our way of life, the freedoms we have fought for, our multi-cultural society. That was the clear response here in the wake of the July 7th bombings last year, which killed Asians and Whites, Muslims and Christians alike.

sweetbilly · 06-27-2006, 03:42 AM

From what i understood, those riots were ONLY middle eastern born men rioting for ....well what ever it was they were rioting about jobs or what ever. I could be wrong, if i am, it's simply cause the news Co's distorted the truth here. So i do appologise to you if i am wrong. But i do not believe that just being born in Britan equates to being British, i'm sure there are many people born in Britan working for the downfall of Britan. I understand that people from the middle east have moved to Europen countries in the hopes of finding a better life, and that's fine, i feel they are entitled to seek a better life. However, i think it's a grave mistake to allow such a mass immigration into European countries ...but that's Europes' perogative, it's not my country they can make what ever mistakes they like. They have to live with the consequences for their actions

I don't know how European people see it, but in the U.S middle eastern people just aren't as welcome as they used to be. Mainly because they bring their hatred of America them with them when they immigrate here preaching it in the streets or in the Mosques. You have to understand that America is a different place now, after Sept 11 we don't exactally have a high tollerance for that kind of behaviour anymore. I litterally thought i was going to see middle-eastern men being killed by the hundreds in the streets here after that day, the tension and hatred of all middle-eastern people here was VERY, VERY high and very intense for a long time ....it felt like a time bomb ready to explode. However, things have quieted down a little. I know middle eastern men were terrified to be in America as well!! I was walking in the mall and seen two men eyeball a Indian man like they were gonna tear him apart, i know he was scared. Probally all the sweating he was doing, in the middle of winter, that gave me that feeling.

I have no problems with eastern people at all, but i don't like the militant radicals comming to this country and spreading their message of hatred, especially using their religous temples and our tollerance of their religious beliefs to hide from the authorities and plan their next bombing/murder. I feel, whether you agree or not, that they are simply trying to incite all middle-eastern people to violence through religious dogmas, both in Europe and in America. They arrested 7 more militant Islamic men, what was it two-days ago, who were attempting to buy more Amonium Nitrate than Timmothy Mc Viegh used whan he blew up the Murrah building in Oklahoma. They were gonna blow up the Sears tower this time, i want to know when we are gonna get serious about this and stop with all the political correctness and quash this crap, whether in the middle-east or in America. We have the right to protect ourselves.

This has nothing to do with racism, it's the hatred of the west by eastern cultures that i despise, it has nothing to do with skin color. I can't help it if the militant people perpetrating these acts are dark skinned. It has nothing to do with it at all. Untill their tollerance or Jews and Americans change, my opinion of them will not change either. I hate NO man, i hate idealisms and the political correctness that protects evil people. I don't buy into politically correct idealisms either, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Unlike other Americans, i feel we sould not tollerate this at all and believe we should have acted more swiftly decisively than we have, it's just going to get worse. I'm all for ending immigration to the U.S period, no one who comes here anymore does anything to better this country anyhow and i don't see why we should, in a time of war, allow a open border policy with any middle-eastern countries anyhow. However, like the good little follower i am, i will let those who have the pertinant imformation and who also say we are safe, make that decision. Then when someone finally finds a way to smuggle a dirty bomb into this country and kill 10,000 people, they can figure out a way to keep the lynch mob from putting a noose around their necks themselves ...as i do not believe this country will ever tollerate another Sept 11 again EVER!

Whether you agree or not, there will always be a division between the west and the east ...It's a fundimental cultural and social divide that can not be gapped by simple good will and understanding, even though America is once again trying to bridge that gap in Iraq right now ...again, attempting another good will mission because the middle-eastern psycopaths can't restrain themselves or their citizins. I think our involvemment in Iraq is proof that America does not hate Eastern peoples, but is instead hated by eastern people. America hating eastern people is a falsehood and hatred itself spread by their religous zealots to persuade their people to fight and kill Americans and Jews ... for what, who knows?

My point is this: If Europe allows more people than they can physically restrain, who are inclined to act in a militant and murderous fashion, raised in eastern countries who only see America, Israel, Europe and Christains as the infidel/great antichrist, into their countries, then it should be no surprise when they loose control over them and find their enemies living within their own borders. This is absolutely ludicris, INSANE!!!! It should be no surprise either when a Europe, which has stood beside America in times past against people like this, turns its back on the U.S. or hampers every effort we make to bring freedom, prosperity, etc... to middle-eastern countries because they are afraid of these people living within their borders.

I, unlike the rest of the world, am a realist, i do not rely on the leppard to change it's spots, because it's prolly not going to. You can take the boy out of the mosque, but you can't take the mosque out of the boy. I do not believe middle-eastern culture is ever going to change, whether that culture is in europe or in Iraq, their religious beliefs will not allow them to change as mine will not allow me to change either. They leave their home to go to a new home, claiming they want peace and prosperity, but they bring with them all the symptoms and hatred related to this issue. You can not have one side willing to forget the past and move forward if the other side isn't willing to as well. Those people are stilll carrying around grudges toward Christains, Israeli's and Europe from the middle-ages. When are they going to grow up and get over it, and when is Europe going to grasp this concept?

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Europeans are determined not to let terrorists ruin our way of life, the freedoms we have fought for, our multi-cultural society.

I'm sorry i have to disagree, i don't think Europe has a choice anymore. Europe is fast loosing it's power to control these people. First, multi-cultural societies aren't always a good thing, that's a false pretense. Islamic facism is an issue so imbedded so intertwined within the eastern cultures there is simply no way to remove it, It will be there till the end of the earth or until every Christian and Jews dead. Second, these people do not want to change, and there are billions of Islamic followers in the world so the threat to Europe and the U.S is very real one indeed. Some people don't want to be civil or respectful toward others and thus they have to be treated like children and restrained just so you can survive yourself, no matter how much you try to integrate them into a productive society they just won't comply. Just cause things are colorful and peaceful now does not mean things are going to be peaceful or good later. I really don't think Europe knows what it has gotten it's self into, they haven't allowed a people to immigrate they've allowed an idealism to immigrate and take root, and that's dangerous. Once there are more eastern people in Europe they will have no problem changing the political direction of any country simply by voting. That's exactally what we need now, Europe screaming for Iran to have nuclear technology. Unfortunatly, unlike European people, I don't believe the majority of middle-eastern people who have immigrated to Europe have any intentions at all of being civil or changing their long held religous concepts to embrace european, Israeli, or American cultures at all, their religion simply will not allow them to tollerate the "infidel". This has nothig to do with skin color, not every Islamic fundimentalist is from the middle-east or are dark skinned and not every Baptist is white and from America, but the Islamic idealism is totally from the middle-east and it would be stupid to arrest a Buddhist, Japanese man because i think he's Islamic terrorist when they are screaming for the annilation of America, Jews and Christians in the Mosque next door. That's stupid, but that's what people want us to do, ignore reality. I'm sorry you have to be related to these animals through your ethniticity, but my interpretation does not include you ...unless you agree these idiots are right and all Christians, Jews and Americans must die?

Meanon · 08-30-2006, 06:06 PM

I'm not related to them, sweet billy, that's my point. Besides, I'm proud of my ethnicity. The only connection appears in the minds of those who see all Asians as immigrants and as potential importers of islamic terror. My understanding of racism is that you infer negative things about people on the basis of colour.

The terrorists here have not arrived here from the middle east, neither are they representative of all Asians living here. They are not immigrants.

I don't understand why you ask whether I think people should die. To me it seems as if you are saying: if you don't agree with me then you agree with the terrorist cause. That's not so. This isn't a personal criticism, sweetbilly, I've noticed it a lot in political debate on forums which is why I avoid it. I think it's clear from my post that I hate terorrism and the carnage it causes as much, if not more, than you do. I don't believe that hatred of innocents and increased racial confilct helps, in fact I think it harms.