The Truth

Crazy_Captain_Chris · 08-14-2006, 01:41 AM

After reading most of what people think about religion on this forum, I can say one thing. YOU are all right.
Why is everybody right, well the short answer is, this is how you feel and think.
On the longer side of things of how and why we feel and think these ways. Through out our lives, from the time we are born we take in virtually everything that we see, taste, touch, hear, etc etc etc. All of these things, for what ever reason will lead us to how we feel, today, about everything.
Now, for example if I was raised in a household that was so religious, that every single thing they did was religious orientated, then I would more than likely, today, believe in god, and vice versa, both of which will vary in the depth of belief. We also change as we grow, you guessed it, new information is the reason why.
Also events in our life will dictate us as to who we are.

Now for the really scary part, well it is for me anyway........
The single most killer of mankind is religion, not god, but the concept of religion itself.
I don't know if god is real or not, and I really don't care. What I do care about is the religious beliefs that make people act the way they do, such as a religion that does not allow blood transfusions, so the parents will actually allow a child to die.
Ok thats their decision and their belief, but what if and this includes all the wars and endless violence, what if, JUST WHAT IF,
god didnt exist.

What a waste if time and more importantly a waste of life.

Merika · 08-14-2006, 07:43 AM

But what if He does? I'm kind of thinking that it would be more of a waste of time and life if everyone assumed God didn't exist and never bothered to look for Him. What do you think?

Crazy_Captain_Chris · 08-14-2006, 09:48 AM

But what if He does? Good question. Its kind of like (without being to dramatic lol) looking for an odd sock that went missing a couple of weeks ago. The sock isnt really that important that it has to be found, as life will go on as normal, nothing will change for the better or the worse.
But if I choose to think that life is better by finding that sock (even if the sock is never found), and my previous life experiences make me believe that this is true. Then yes it is a waste of time to not look for what I believe in.
What do I really think.........
Well I look at this way, if a person needs to find god to help and guide them thats kool and great. What that person has actually done, has helped themselves by taking that first step.
The funny thing is, does that person really need help, or just searching for a tool with which to open his/her mind to the endless possibilities that our own minds can create, things that can change our lives, our own lives, and change them all by ourselves.
Every single person has the ability to choose their own destiny, most people just dont know it.

Merika · 08-14-2006, 01:22 PM

I think I would find it more convenient if there was NOT a God. However, I've never had the luxury of that convenience. In my heart, I know that He does. My search was never associated with wondering if He existed. It was more of a search of wondering who He was and what He was all about.

And herein lies the problem of religion. If each person stops at what they think is the FINALITY of who God is and what He is about, it is then when they have a tendency to think they are the only ones who are right. And they begin to fight and defend a God who has not asked them to do either.
As a matter of fact, it is clear in the Bible, if someone believes in it, that God DOES NOT want his word argued. He just wants it applied as it applies to you.

So, I'm a person who believes in God, considers myself of Christian persuation, but I'm not so lame to think my perception of Him puts Him in a box to be what I want Him to be nor do I have a right to demand that people have the same Boxed God that I may have.

Does that make sense? because sometimes I don't.

Crazy_Captain_Chris · 08-14-2006, 06:17 PM

I think that all of what you said makes a world of sense

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And if your set in your ways of your belief, then so be it, thats kool by me.
I truly do think that any search of something should really be about ones own self, for me, I am the most important person in life, for without me and knowing fully who I am I cannot help anyone else.
I spent quite a few years in finding who I am and why I am, I can remember back to the age of 2 years old.
With all this hand I can help just about anybody I choose too.
My point being I dont need a god or religion to be a good person, (which is my perception of what religion is all about, I know its not but thats my perception anyway lol).
I feel that when it comes to religious confrontation, people seem more interested in fighting for their belief, and making their point as to being right, rather than fighting for their god. Unfortunately people are more about themseleves and fight about that, more than fighting for someone or something else.
But at the end of the day, I can never stop the violence and hatred of so many different things, such as racism and what ever else there is. I wish I could, but I also know that religion wont stop anything either, so I see no point in any of it.
Well I hope all that made sense too, and all of what I've said is just how I see not how it really is.

Duke · 08-14-2006, 06:23 PM

Religion is exactly the same as politics by my way of thinking. Since much of what you believe in is based on faith no one can ever truly be wrong, or right for that matter.

Star · 08-14-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke

Religion is exactly the same as politics by my way of thinking. Since much of what you believe in is based on faith no one can ever truly be wrong, or right for that matter.

i feel the same way about religion. to me, religion doesn't equal god. it's all seperate.

religion is man made rules, god is god. i was raised a catholic with a super religious mother. am i religious today? heck no! i also have 3 brothers and none of us are. why? because she totally turned us off religion. i may be catholic but i most certainly am not a practicing cathoilic. although, i have the values of god. make sense?

i think god put humans on the face of the earth for a reason. some were meant to save lives, invent cures, help people. if a doctor is needed to save a child's life, then a doctor that child should have. religion or not, you can't be risking anyone's life. that's just my opinion of course.

Merika · 08-14-2006, 09:50 PM

I've never looked at God, or in my case Jesus, thinking morality or being a good person as being the point. To me, it's just about my relationship with Him. Sometimes it goes real smooth and sometimes I do dumpster dives into failure.

Weiser · 08-14-2006, 10:37 PM

Technically I guess I'm a catholic. Aside from that I'm not religious. I believe there is "something" I just don't know what.

Luba · 08-19-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Merika

I think I would find it more convenient if there was NOT a God. However, I've never had the luxury of that convenience. In my heart, I know that He does.
As a matter of fact, it is clear in the Bible, if someone believes in it, that God DOES NOT want his word argued. He just wants it applied as it applies to you.

So, I'm a person who believes in God, considers myself of Christian persuation, but I'm not so lame to think my perception of Him puts Him in a box to be what I want Him to be nor do I have a right to demand that people have the same Boxed God that I may have.

Does that make sense? because sometimes I don't.

I SO agree with you, Merika!! Beautifully said! I totally believe in God and have since I was a child; and I believe my faith in Him made me the person I am today! I so believe in Love and kindness and goodness and just trying to be a good person every day! It doesn't always work that way every day, but at least I try...if I had no faith in God, I wouldn't try so hard to make someone's day just a little bit brighter, or say something bright to someone about themselves when they are wearing a frown...

Crazy_Captain_Chris · 08-19-2006, 12:14 PM

For me, and this is just for me. I dont believe in god but I dont disbelieve.
Its not even a point in my life, I use to get a real kick out of walking along the street, seeing someone with a sad face and giving them the biggest smile and just saying "g'day hows it goin". Well actually, the kick I got was seeing them smile. I dont do it so much any more, peoples reactions dont seem to be as responsive as much, although I still do it, and I still get a kick out of seeing people smile.
As for who I am, well for me I am who I am because of me.

I once worked in a place, and had been there for about a week, when the boss was talking to me one day and said that a lady there asked if I was religious. The reason for her question was and I quote her "is he religious or something, cause hes so very very nice". Well I told the boss that I wasnt religious, and wasnt offended in any way of course, and that I was just someone who cared very much about every living thing.
Thats probably about the closest thing I've had to do with religion lol.
Mind you it felt very good for what the lady had said.

I probably wont post very much in this section of lifesupporters, as I feel that people are set in thier ways (yeah that includes me lol). So I dont think there is alot of good I can do in here. But as for the rest of the forum, my plan is to make all who read my posts, smile, feel better, feel enthused or what ever I can do to make life for everybody happy in some way. The good thing for me is, I dont need god or anything for that matter to make me enthused about making other people happy.
I dont even have a need for someone to say thanks for making me smile, its something I can do and can do very well and enjoy very much that I can do it. My only regret is that I cant make the whole world smile, although I dreams of ways of doing that, I just know in reality that the world realy doesnt want to smile a whole lot.
Thank you all for our very light hearted thoughts.

Merika · 08-20-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie-chris

I probably wont post very much in this section of lifesupporters, as I feel that people are set in thier ways (yeah that includes me lol). So I dont think there is alot of good I can do in here.

Don't say that Chris!! I think it's great when people share opinions...especially when they are friends. This is when you realize the 'other side' are people just like you and love replaces fear. If the whole world could do that ...it would be a wonderful place to live.

sweetbilly · 08-31-2006, 12:01 AM

We are all pretty open here about discussing God Chris, no one on here i know is going to look down on you or chastize you for your beliefs ...you should have read some of my posts, i know people hated me :P However, it should be two way street don't you agree? If you say you don't believe, would you have problems if someone showed you reasons to believe? I can think of a billion reasons to believe.

I would think, especially with my life, that if there were no God there just wouldn't be a reason to get up in the morning or a reason to go on living given all of lifes adversity. Life is too hard, it dosen't make sence that life would be this hard if there were no God and no Satan. Believe it or not this gives me reason to hope and reason enough to continue no matter how bad it gets.

I don't understand things like love, hate, fear, hope but i know they are in me. I don't know how they got there, and they are definately a foreign concept especially in this world, but i do know they exist and somehow i am more than just a function of my physical parts. How can i explain these things if there is no God? How can they exist if there is no God? The only adiquate alternative to God is Evolution and there is no explanation good enough in evolution for things like love, mercy, compassion, hate, fear, justice etc...

Fayebelle · 08-31-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Weiser

Technically I guess I'm a catholic. Aside from that I'm not religious. I believe there is "something" I just don't know what.

FYI- this is called agnostic- The belief in a nameless Something

I'm Episcapalian- I also study and use Kadampa Buddism techniques.