Is There a God?...

Luba · 05-07-2006, 09:12 AM

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

offers candid, straight-forward reasons to believe in the existence of God..an article by Marilyn Adamson who was once an atheist...

Merika · 05-07-2006, 09:57 AM

That was a real nice article Luba! I enjoyed reading it.

God said in the Bible that He wrote it on every man's heart that He exists. Do I believe that? Well...it seems odd to me that the only God man has ever tried to prove DIDN'T exist was Him. They happily want to learn of the old gods of the Greeks and Romans and Heathen cultures...because there is nothing about those that man has to wrestle with inside of himself.

sweetbilly · 05-07-2006, 12:01 PM

You would think that after 2000 years someone would have been able to disprove ANYTHING said by a simple carpenter who was approximately 32 or 33 when he was crucified on a cross, but no one has. One person who didn''t even have the education of most elementary school children today permanatly changed the earth forever!! He discussed things that couldn't have possibly been known to even the GREATEST of minds 2000 years ago ...Quantum physics, Geology, Psychology, Astronomy, Biology etc etc etc. If you don't believe in God there is something seriously wrong with your wiring, you are missing the larger picture. This world on EVERY level shows nothing less than a perfect, intelligently designed system. ESPECIALLY in the world of Chemistry!! I thought that article was awesome, but she only covered maybe 1% of what could have been said. I still thought it was elequent and well said though, and who better to say it than a former athiest.

Vautrin · 05-07-2006, 12:20 PM

If anyone would take the opportunity to study ancient Greek culture, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Chinese, etc cultures you would see that above claims are totally false.

The whole idea of (intelligent) design already existed in the middle-ages, and before then, including Pre-Roman times. And with the most absurd justifications given. In 50 years the same will hold true for the current justifications for current design "reasons."

And thank you for calling me defect Billy.

Merika · 05-08-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vautrin

And thank you for calling me defect Billy.

I don't read where Billy called YOU anything. :?

He was responding to Luba's post.

Weiser · 05-08-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetbilly

If you don't believe in God there is something seriously wrong with your wiring

That right there is calling Vautrin defective Merika :P

Merika · 05-10-2006, 09:32 AM

It's an opinion....not a personal insult. If someone says they are an athiest and everyone who believed is God is stupid.....I wouldn't care.

I thought the religious forum was designed for those of us interested in the topic to have a chance to discuss our opinons. If someone doesn't believe and finds it offensive that other people do....then they shouldn't post on it.

Vautrin · 05-11-2006, 08:11 AM

Believing or not in God is a personal issue.

However, condemning people because they do not believe in God, or to think of them as inferior, defective, because they differ in views, does not show respect - one of the guiding principles on these forums IMO.
That can be the case for an atheist who would claim that all religion is for brainless sheep, and it can hold the other way around too.

sweetbilly · 06-19-2006, 01:16 AM

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sweetbilly wrote:
If you don't believe in God there is something seriously wrong with your wiring

That right there is calling Vautrin defective Merika Razz

Actually it wasn't a personal insult at all, i wasn't calling anyone defective. I'm sorry if some people view it as such. I was simply pointing out that the accumulation of scientific information today and the rate in which it is being discovered is disproving weaker theories for mans or the worlds existance on a daily basis. In light of information which is now becoming known to the general public you would have to be completly biased or just plain ignorant to deny what is being discovered now. Even main stream scientists, whom have always been ardent evolutionists, are now begining to question what they have always believed in. If main stream scientists are questioning what they are seeing, there has got to be something to the oppositions argument. Isn't it worth listening to? So, yes, to ingore the evidence and still believe the world was created by a big-bang or that man came from a rock produced by some type of primordal soup, given what we now know about genetics, astronomy and physics, you would have to be a complete idiot to continue arguing for a dead theory. Yet people do???? It's impossible to make sence of the world with out some type of creative intervention.

Yes, believing or not believing in God is a personal issue, but it dosen't mean that it's not gonna affect you on a personal level someday. I don't believe this is the kind of thing which can be ignored either, if you are wrong you had better be right about your theory, don't you agree? Otherwise there is a fairly steep price to pay for being wrong. I maintain that someday it will be proven wheather God exists or wheather he dosen't. On that day, some people will eat crow and some will not. So i think it's better to be sure than to argue for the sake of argument.

Obviousy, the woman who wrote this paper has seen through the lies she was told for years and made a conscience decision that she wasn't being honest with herself. To me this speaks volumes about her character and i would tend to give her the benifit of the doubt when she says there is something to this God thing. I think the question should now be "what is it that she seen or knows that the rest of us have missed?" Because what ever it was it has made a significant impression on her, enough of an impression to turn her entire life upside down and be ridiculed for her beliefs now, even from people she once called her friends.

__RavErz__ · 11-09-2006, 06:01 AM

Interesting article. Well written. Could sway some minds. I did find a few formal fallacies in there, nothing really to turn off from the entire article. I liked it, it didn't really prove God exists as such, although it supports peoples ideas of God.

This is saying that I made a while back.

"You can not prove or disprove the existence of God, but certainly you can prove the consistency of such a God"

That is what this person tried to do, prove how consistent God is with the universe. Although I don't know why she wrote it since she says that at first no amount of evidence will just sway the mind of an athiest (wondering about now then why she changed her mind abou it herself) then she writes this article seeking to sway those minds. Seems a bit like a contradiction to me.