Holy War

[Merika]

With all the onslought against the Christians and the gobal dislike of the Jews in Israel......do you feel we are heading against the last days of the Holy Wars or what?

[Duke]

I actually think this is just an example of world anger in general. It seems to me that everyone these days is mad at everyone else and it seems to be escalating all around the world.

[twinkle]

Holy War my arse! Follow the money (aka oil, nuclear power and all) or the power.

Religion is the drug used in order to master the masses. People are being manipulated (slaughtered, instigated to kill, whatever), and the reason sure isn't religious.

[TKDLady]

Very good point Twinkle.

[darkangelism]

so isreal and lebnanon fighting is for money? sunnis fighting ****es over oil? I dont think so, western warfare tends to be over other things, like the US isnt in iraq over religion, but the fact that the middle east hates isreal is religion and even the sunni ****e rift is religion...but you are right in that religion is a drug, it was all about follow me or you will be punished, but that doesnt mean that religion isnt the motive.

As for th elast days, nope, religios war will always exist as long as people believe different things.

[Luba]

Originally Posted by Duke

I actually think this is just an example of world anger in general. It seems to me that everyone these days is mad at everyone else and it seems to be escalating all around the world.

Sad, but true..

[sweetbilly]

Sorry twinkle i totally disagree with you! This is a war over religion, even if western nations are not killing Islamic people in the name of their religion they are killing Jews and Americans in the name of their religion. They believe that they can hasten the return of the Islamic Christ (which christians believe will be the antichrist) if all the Islamic nations join together at the same time and kill all the Christians and Jews. I hear the leader of Hammas saying this all the time. Thats why the U.S is called the big antichrist and Israel is called the little antichrist all the time. Their Koran demands that they kill Jews and Christians to fulfill Allah's will, so wheather you believe it or not it really is a religous war and not over oil. They use oil as a weapon against the west not the other way around, th eonly card we have are nuclear weapons ...thank God for Nukes!

It's funny how Americans buy them toothpaste, clothes, food and all they do is try to kill the world off, talk about biting the hand that feeds. Right now in Somalia they are trying to overthrow the newly established government there too, so Ethiopia is discussing invading Somalia in the short future to prevent this. It's like the bible said in Genesis "their hands would be against all peoples and all nations of the earth" These are the decendants of, i believe Ham who are cursed for bringing sin back into the world after the biblical flood, this is when Noah cursed all of hams decendants. Funny how much power God give just one righteous man huh? The Bible appears to be perfect again, they hate everyone that dosen't share their religous beliefs, including their own people. They are litterally attacking the enire world (fulfilling another biblical prophecy) The reason why we can't get peace in Iraq is because they can't even agree on a government that suits their religous beliefs, within their OWN religion (some are moderate the rest aren't) so they kill eachother off. They don't understand the meaning of tollerance, this is beyond reason and common sence now, it's for their religous beliefs. This won't stop until someone physically stops them, they are fighting for their God!

So yes i do think this is a religous war and yes i do believe this is the begining of the war of revelations, however, i've felt that way for a long time now, since 911, i can't tell you how far we are into it yet. We could be at the very begining or we could be very near the end ...I just don't know for sure. What i do know for sure is that once their is a peace treaty set up (for 7 years) between the Jews and the Arabs, it will be set up by the antichrist himself (remember who ever brokers that peace treaty is the antichrist in carnate) it will be broken a couple of years later when there is an invasion of Israel planned by the Arabs and Russia. This is when alot of Christains believe Israel will nuke Damascus sparking off a major war. However, there is a major battle is the valley of euphrates as well, which i believe is only a precurser of the final battle of Amageddon (armageddon means arms at meddigo, Meddigo is a city in the northern part of Israel) "the blood will run as deep as a horses mane" and that's where American forces are now, in the valley of Euphrates. When Israel gives up the land in Jersusulam where the temple mount sits now, which is part of that 7 year peace treaty, that is when the last battle for Israel offically starts. So i believe the war of revelations is in fact two seperate battles divided by 1 1/2 years of peace in the middle east. It's when they say peace has been reached in the middle east that i'm going to get worried. But i'm not sure if that treaty has been signed yet, does anyone know who controls the temple mount right now?

This is what the bible says and this is what i believe. The bible refers to major earthquakes etc.. happening at the end, which mark the birth pangs of the return of Gods kingdom on earth, and we are begining to see these things happening now. We have never seen so many or so many violent earthquakes in Indonesia ever, and just for the record Indonesia is an Islamic culture, so i don't think this is just a concidence at all. I think the time is at hand, everything seems to be in place now, i certainly hope you are all ready reguardless of what happens. I'm trying to remain vigilant and ready for this myself, reguardless of what happens.

[TKDLady]

I don't disagree totally with you Sweetbilly but I think Twinkle has the right idea. Who says the end of the world can't be started by the money hungry demi gods who run these countries. They don't allow their people to hear news from the rest of the world. They are fed what their dictators want them to hear. I still agree with Twinkle.

[darkangelism]

the antichrist has not revelaed himself, otherwise all christains would have gone to heaven to escape punishment.

But the war in isreal doesnt have anynthing to do with money.

[Merika]

I think wars can be disguised and motivated by any number of things,and money certainly being one of them, but it seems to me that some of the things going on these days aren't going to bring gain to anyone. I just find it interesting when world events line up exactly like God said they would. I don't think it's quite the end yet....but it sure feels like we are heading towards it.

[sweetbilly]

I agree Merika, and i also agree that money is a tool which people use to achieve what ever goal they are pursuing but this war does not feel like that to me this time. There dosen't appear to be any kind of repression going on in Lebanon, Lebanon appeared to be growing and fast becoming an amazingly prosperous country before Israel launched this war. They were financially viable for the first time in half a century yet they continued to allow Hezbolah to launch missles into Israel on a daily basis starting this current conflict, and you can't tell me they couldn't have controlled Hezbolah, that's a lie. Lebanon has an army they could have done something even if it wasn't successful, they want Hezbolah in their country and they want war with Israel.

Most Arab countries are as rich as the United States because of oil exports, i mean Iraq made as much money gross per anum as the United States when Saddam was in control yet it appears now as though Saddam may have had to resort to violence to control what was happening in his own country. I'm starting to get the feeling Saddam was the plug that kept the water in the bathtub, once we pulled the plug all hell broke loose. I don't think it was a bad thing to remove him, it was bound to happen sooner rather than later, but never the less we shouldn't condone violence to control anyone so i still feel he had to go. You know their culture is not the same as our culture they don't understand weakness or tollerance they understand force, the only way to control a bunch of barbarians is to become barbaric yourself. People forget sometimes that these are the people whom conspired and helped Hitler to kill the Jews, until Britain disolved their state and divided it up after WWII.

It's really like they wanted to start this war in order to cause other Muslims around the world to join them in their attack on Israel. I just have this really bad, bad feeling this time that this is not going to go away, even if there is a complete ceasefire. I feel like it will just start up all over again once people get complacent, and if Israel withdraws before they succeed at destroying hamass it will just get worse for Israel once it all starts up again, the arabs will just see this as a sign of weakness and attack harder feeling they will win. I hate to say it and no one likes to hear it but unfortunatly if we are going to win this war this time we must become as violent as they are and kill or allow Israel to kill a lot of people physically forcing them to withdraw. I don't see any other way for Israel or the western nations to survive this this time. I don't even want to think about what would happen if we lose! This is what i don't believe the world is taking into consideration when they say Israel is acting too harshly, they don't understand the culture over there, in my opinion they haven't gone far enough yet. I think Israel understands this better than any nation on earth and that's why they are taking it to the arabs.