GOD EXISTS !!!!!!!!

[kumartian]

GOD EXISTS

A man went to a barber shop to have his hair and his beard cut as
always.

He started to have a good conversation with the barber who attended
him.

They talked about so many things and various subjects. Suddenly,
they touched the subject of God.


The barber said : "Look man, I don't believe that God exists as you
say so."

"Why do you say that?" Asked the client.

"Well, it's so easy, you just have to go out in the street to
realize that God does not exist. Oh, tell me, if God existed, would
there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If
God existed, there would be no suffering nor pain. I can't think of
a God who permits all of these things."

The client stopped for a moment thinking but he didn't want to
respond so as to prevent an argument.

The barber finished his job and the client went out of the shop.
Just after he left the barber shop he saw a man in the street with a
long hair and beard (it seems that it had been a long time since he
had his cut and he looked so untidy).

Then the client again entered the barber shop and he said to the
barber: "Know what? Barbers do not exist." "How come they don't
exist?" asked the barber.

"Well I am here and I am a barber."

"No!" the client exclaimed.

"They don't exist because if they did there would be no people with
long hair and beard like that man who walks in the street."

"Ah, barbers do exist, what happens is that people do not come to
me."

"Exactly!" affirmed the client. "That's the point. God does exist,
what happens is people don't go to Him and do not look for Him
that's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

KUMAR

[RandomSkater]

Although the sotry is sweet, I have to say that it's wrong.

The reason isn't because people don't look to God, it's because people turned from God in the first place, the fall in Genesis.

[Merika]

I think the story was referring to the hearts of man individually today. Looking at it that way....I totally agree with the story.

[Duke]

I have to agree with Merika, the story really is more of a crafty real-world example of how you can choose to view the presence of (or lack of) God or his/her presence.

Geeze kumar, you sure are full of amusing anecdotes Keep 'em comin' my friend.

[Just__A__Thought]

Gods only exists in the minds of men. It's like telling someone that the loved one who died still lives as long as they keep them alive in their heart. Man created God because mankind needs a point of reference and a point of responsibility and a place in which to store hope, and preserve denial. "God" is the ethereal receptacle for the emotions that mankind does not understand and fears.

[__RavErz__]

Hate to spoil the momment but in logic this is called a faulty analogy. You are comparing apples with oranges. Barbers with God. It is a fallacy in formal logic.

Sorry, lol I don't like to be mean and say that peoples ideas/beliefs are wrong, I am not saying you are wrong, but your reasoning for believing such a thing is wrong.

[Vautrin]

And who is to say that formal logic is the only correct logic? :P

[Duke]

Some people don't believe due to logic, they believe due to believing which has nothing to do with logic. You can compare it to love as well. Some people love others who defy logic on all levels and the relationship mystifies others yet the devotion remains.

Simply put, if any kind of emotion is involved, forget logic because it does not apply.

[__RavErz__]

Originally Posted by Duke

Some people don't believe due to logic, they believe due to believing which has nothing to do with logic. You can compare it to love as well. Some people love others who defy logic on all levels and the relationship mystifies others yet the devotion remains.

Simply put, if any kind of emotion is involved, forget logic because it does not apply.

Logic still applies. People say that you can't understand love. Why is she with he, why is he with she, logic can explain it, not formal logic, but formal logic only has limited uses. God exists is the conclusion. The steps to getting to that conclusion in this case are wrong. You can't compare the love of god to visiting a barber.

And of course formal logic isn't the only correct logic. But in other types of logic this still doesn't make to much sense. I am not saying what is said is wrong, it could be right, but the reasoning is wrong.

Duke, by the way, believing has everything to do with logic when you couple it with some science (including social sciences).

Again I am going to mention I don't care in what you believe in, I care about the stages you got to get there. The reasoning is absolutely auwful to suggest the existence of God in the first post. There are much better explanations.

[Duke]

Maybe thats what you believe my friend but I simply don't. There are many examples of how people act, the choices they make in their daily lives and the people they surround themselves with.

You make it sound as if logic applies to virtually every circumstance and I disagree. Explain to me if you will, why a woman who knows a man is bad for her, will continue to remain faithful, and vice versa. The idea itself defies logic and I think trying to explain emotion with logical definitions in all circumstances is ludicrous.

Again, you can believe in what you believe but don't ask me to see it that way because I simply cannot. See, I too have made decisions in my life, not based on any logic whatsoever (in fact, quite the contrary), so in my postings at least, I speak from what I know.

As for the comparison of loving God and visiting a barber, logic suggests it's a simple matter of choice does it not?

[__RavErz__]

Dam Duke I was typing a big message and clicked send just as you were updating my thing, so when I sent it it didn't work grrr lol.

I will type a reply later. I don't feel like typing it out again right now, it was about 6 paragraphs.

[mrLenin]

Nice! That really true!