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01-28-2005, 12:10 AM
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God Bless Paul Harvey
I was sent this in an email. I am ASSUMING that Paul Harvey really stated this.
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> Paul Harvey & Prayer
> Paul Harvey says: - "I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not
>going to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I don't
>agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my high
>school teacher taught his theory of evolution. Life, liberty or your
>pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a
>30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big deal? It's
>not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts. They're
>just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to
>the players on the field and the fans going home from the game. "But
>it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United
>States of America, a country founded on Christian principles. According
>to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others
>better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody chanting Hare
>Krishna? If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to
>hear a Jewish prayer. If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would
>expect to hear a Muslim prayer. If I went to a ping pong match in China,
>I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha. And I wouldn't be
>offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome.. "But what about
>the atheists?" is another argument. What about them? Nobody is asking
>them to be baptized.. We're not going to pass the collection plate. Just
>humor us for 30 seconds.. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or
>a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand.
>Call your lawyer! Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or
>two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a
>short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's
>foundations. Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other
>cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and
>grandparents taught us to pray before eating, to pray before we go to
>sleep. Our Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of
>people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying. God, help us.
>And if that last sentence offends you, well..........just sue me. The
>silent majority has been silent too long. it's time we let that one or
>two who scream loud enough to be heard, that the vast majority don't
>care what they want.. it is time the majority rules! It's time we tell
>them, you don't have to pray.. you don't have to say the pledge of
>allegiance, you don't have to believe in God or attend services that
>honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right.. but by
>golly, you are no longer going to take our rights away . we are fighting
>back.. and we WILL WIN! God bless us one and all, especially those who
>denounce Him... God bless America, despite all her faults, she is still
>the greatest nation of all..... God bless our service men who are
>fighting to protect our right to pray and worship God... May 2005 be the
>year the silent majority is heard and we put God back as the foundation
>of our families and institutions. Keep looking up..... In God WE Trust
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01-28-2005, 09:09 PM
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Paul Harvey is the BEST! 
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11-09-2005, 12:48 AM
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Paul Harvey is great! I love to listen to him when i go hunting. I've heard alot of insperational stories from him that i just loved. I like how he pointed out that we have become a country ruled my the minority now. Political correctness is worst thing that ever happened this country.
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11-09-2005, 01:09 AM
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I think thats great but as a Canadian I don't think that the US is the greatest nation of all. I'm not being disagreeable, I'm being patriotic to my country.
... and if you don't like it, call your lawyer. 
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11-09-2005, 05:49 AM
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As always the supposed set of Christian (or Jewish, or Buddhist, or Islamic) rules that people of one country act upon is only a small portion of those which are mentioned in the holy writings of their religions.
Take the interest issue for instance. The premarital sex. The booze. The not worshipping of false idols. I as an atheist can see at least one point on which Paul Harvey is inconsistent with Christianity, but that is just my opinion.
What bothers me, and I think many atheist, that some Christians / Jews / Buddhists / Muslims, do not mind not living up to all these rules, yet have no problem to dig up even the vaguest references to how sinful an atheist or non-believer is.
Homosexuality is one such issue. I know it is being considered an abomination in the OT, but in the NT there is barely made any mention of it, and not by Jesus himself. Yet still some christians do consider it an abomination - with of course all consequences. If Christians do so based on the vaguest references, I cannot see why an atheist does not have the right to call the Christian on the rules of interest, idol worship, et cetera, that are also present in the Christian holy writings.
In short, it is the intolerance of both the religious and non-religious people that causes issues and problems like that.
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11-09-2005, 08:11 AM
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I loved reading the Paul Harvey quotation! I am a firm believer in God and have ever since I went to Grade School when we would recite the Lord's Prayer and the teacher would read a passage from the Bible. Even thinking about it right now, it brought such comfort to a very lonely child! Given my first little red Bible from Grade School was the greatest gift; that was when I first started my belief and all these years later my faith just grows...I see God's Grace in the beauty of someone's smile, in the beauty of Nature, on a walk and seeing the beautiful deep blue sky with peach and white coloured clouds, a Mother or Father hugging their child, a dog wagging his tail, a cat purring...I could go on and on...
I know their is a lot of ugliness in the world, but I choose to see beauty every single day...
You might call me a dreamer...and naive...and out-of-touch...but before you label my life...just give one thought about how much more beautiful it is to live in love and the comfort that God gives for those that follow Him...
One of my favourite quotes comes from Proverbs 15:15..."he that is of a merry heart hath a continual feast."
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11-10-2005, 07:03 AM
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I understand what you are saying Vautrin....but it kind of comes down to this: If a person says they believe in 'major religion of choice' with all their heart....but they believe other religions are equally as good.....then obviously they don't belive in what they think they believe in.
It makes for a nice politically correct statement.....but it would make no sense. I'm not downing other people's choice of religion....but if I think theirs is equal to mine....then I don't really believe anything. Then it's just a club...not a life choice or a true love for my own God.
I think if someone professes to no God...that's their choice too. And actually....that person is being more honest with themselves than the person who says they are a Christian but Hinduism is just as good. That would be a stupid statement. Same is true the other way around.
Does it cause wars? Sure it does. Only something you feel very strongly about in your heart is worth dying for. If a person is all wishy-washy....then they don't really believe in anything.
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11-10-2005, 07:21 AM
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My statement was not about comparing religions. But about the beliefs believers of various religions hold.
If you are going to condemn non-believers, because they do x,y or z, then the natural reaction of some non-believers to condemn them for practices a, b, or c, from their own scriptures.
And likewise, if a Muslim attacks a Christian, for not living up to Christian standards, a Christian can point out to the Muslim that he is not doing the same thing either (Muslim standards).
Of course, a believer does believe in her / his religion. But the moment it leads to lines like: "You live in sin." "You are evil." "You are a non-believer." I cannot see the tolerance and respect in that, and probably most people who are talked to like that, won't. Hence of course the retaliation.
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11-10-2005, 08:03 AM
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I agree Vautrin. I don't think anything is accomplished by pointing fingers and calling names. Christians, or Muslims, who do that generally aren't representing their religion base belief to begin with. They are just using the name of a religion to do what they want to do and have something to make them feel justified for being an ugly mean-spirited person or looking for self admiration and riches. I've known lots of Christians like that.
They don't represent God. Granted, some have fell to bad teaching...but each one of us has the responsibility of having a personal relationship with God and weighing out what we are taught. If someone chooses not to do that....they'll end up paying for it.
I've never told anyone they were going to hell. Not because I'm a lovely person....but because God specifically said NOT TO say that because that's HIS job. So, if someone does that....then they are ignorant of the bible they claim to represent.
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12-18-2005, 03:51 PM
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If everyone of every religion lived by the 'rules' of those religions -- ALL the rules, the world would be totally different. There would be no freedoms at all, if there was anyone left on the planet.
Intollerance is a human trait. Not a divine one. Adapting our human selves to whatever doctrine one believes is the best any of us humans can do. One diet for everyone is not going to work for everyone. We adapt the diets to include the foods we can eat - those we like and those we are not allergic to and those available to us. Same with religion. I can't stand apples so I don't eat them. The diet I follow has alternate choices or I make my own choices based on my body type and how I can live with said diet. Isn't it the same with religion? Those directions we receive and 'rules from the guidebook' are not always absolute and its impossible to live by all of them.
To support my family I must take whatever job I can get -- even if it means I work on Sunday. I alter my belief and pray and hope I don't go to hell because of it.
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12-25-2005, 05:14 PM
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To support my family I must take whatever job I can get -- even if it means I work on Sunday. I alter my belief and pray and hope I don't go to hell because of it.
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I've worked MANY a Sundays JAT! I rely on what Jesus said in that 'If your Ox is in a ditch on Sunday....you'll have to work to get him out'. (paraphrased). And quite frankly..... my ox is in the ditch financially much of the time.
I think if everyone listened more to the God in their heart....than the blasting crap of alot of religious leaders...all would be well and most would live in complete harmony.
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05-22-2006, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Vautrin
As always the supposed set of Christian (or Jewish, or Buddhist, or Islamic) rules that people of one country act upon is only a small portion of those which are mentioned in the holy writings of their religions.
Take the interest issue for instance. The premarital sex. The booze. The not worshipping of false idols. I as an atheist can see at least one point on which Paul Harvey is inconsistent with Christianity, but that is just my opinion.
What bothers me, and I think many atheist, that some Christians / Jews / Buddhists / Muslims, do not mind not living up to all these rules, yet have no problem to dig up even the vaguest references to how sinful an atheist or non-believer is.
Homosexuality is one such issue. I know it is being considered an abomination in the OT, but in the NT there is barely made any mention of it, and not by Jesus himself. Yet still some christians do consider it an abomination - with of course all consequences. If Christians do so based on the vaguest references, I cannot see why an atheist does not have the right to call the Christian on the rules of interest, idol worship, et cetera, that are also present in the Christian holy writings.
In short, it is the intolerance of both the religious and non-religious people that causes issues and problems like that.
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I agree with you totally...thank you
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