Evolution vs. Christianity

[Vautrin]

Originally Posted by dogula

Vautrin: I was being argumentative.

I know. My point merely was that of the three theories, intelligent design makes the least sense.
You could possibly add further confusion with the argument that God created the world when we were born, and that everything that is older is merely an illusion (age-wise) created by God, to make us believe otherwise. It is an argument that is formally impossible to disprove.

[Merika]

I think I spend more time wondering where I'll go when I leave..than how I got here in the first place.

[Merika]

I happened to watch a special about this subject on tv last night. Did you know there were NO SKULLS connecting man and ape? I always thought there was. I never believed in elvolution...but I thought they had more proof to back up the theory.

If all on earth came from one original organism....when did it develop lungs and when did it split into male and female. How did all the other animals 'evolve' and where are the bones to prove that?

It was an excellent program....too bad they won't show it in schools with all the other theories.

[Vautrin]

I heard that the male-female split is fairly recent, at 300 million years ago, according to science.

[sweetbilly]

LOL, for those of you that know me, i've posted a thred on this exact subject before, but on a different site, so i'll just keep my big yap shut this time ( for the sake of lifesupporters). However, i assure the world is not as you have been lead to believe. The educated people are not as educated as they would like to believe, and evolution did NOT happen. Thats a gurantee!! anyways good look finding the answer you seek, i hope you all find it. I did. If you want the answer, look DEEP. It's there.

[Duke]

I'm not sure if I know you buds but I would like to hear your side of the story, that is, if your interested in telling it.

To be quite honest, you have my curiosity aroused.

[ovidiu]

In my oppinion Christianity does not reject the Evolution. The Evolution of the species is something that has been made possible by God, The has to be something from where the evolution to start, and that something I think has made by God.

Ovi

[darkangelism]

The christians will disagree, because God created Man in his image.


i mean i believe in evolution, but im just saying that is what they think.

[ovidiu]

In my oppinion Christianity does not reject the Evolution. The Evolution of the species is something that has been made possible by God, The has to be something from where the evolution to start, and that something I think has made by God.

Ovi

[Merika]

Originally Posted by sweetbilly

LOL, for those of you that know me,

SWEETBILLY!!!!! You finally posted! It's about time.....

I'm so glad to see you and I'm sure the others on here who know you will feel the same way.

[darkangelism]

Originally Posted by sweetbilly

evolution did NOT happen. Thats a gurantee!!

Thats a very very strong stance.

[sweetbilly]

ty Merika! nice to see i'm wanted somewhere. It's good to see you too! :wink: I know it's a very strong stance to take dark but it very true. I'm not trying to anger anyone on here, believe anything you want. However, there is there is no signifigant evidence for evolution. No links between man and ape have ever been found (no missing links). Simply because the link never existed. Yes it is true we share a signifigant amount of DNA with primates but that is circumstantial. "from ashes to ashes and dust to dust" <---- God. Man, ape, dogs, horses etc... were all physically created from the same elements and the same God, so should it be so amazing that we share very similar physical attributes? Dosen't really prove one thing or another; however, how can the disparagement in intelligence between man and animal be explaned through evolution? it can't. First, where are all of the bodies/fossils of humans? The world has an average birth rate of 1%. Those who believe in evolution believe that humans have been around for 50,000 + yrs. At an average birth rate of 1%, and i don't believe that would change much from present days, the population would be about 600 billion. Where are all of the bodies? Even if we threw in a whole bunch of mass extinctions and said man has meet with extinction over and over again it still makes no sence. lets just say for instance evolution happened and those extinctions did happen, If many mass extinctions were to take place and just about wiped out man over the duration of 50,000 yrs, there's still a problem. Man would not be able to copulate enough to replenish the race without going extinct during this time. However, if we calcutate the average birth rate at 1% over 6000 yrs it adds up to alost exactally 6 million people. Secondly, all of mans genes can be traced back to seven people, not Adam and Eve but to Noah his sons ect... seven of them got off the ark; the first seven people after the flood. Take the first law of thermodynamics for instance, energy cannot make or destroy it's self, but yet we have energy. How could we get energy from nothing without it being created? what is creatintg it? Or how about the fact that astronomers have discovered that the expansion of the universe, from a singe point in space, has not have exceded the growth expected over a 6000 year duration. In other words, the noble gasses, nebulas clouds etc... have not expanded farther than 6000 yrs would have allowed. So how do we squeeze the theory of evolution into 6000 years? it's impossible. What i've just explaned is only a fraction of the evidence that actually exists. Ovi i would agree with you in the respect that christianity dosen't reject evolution, it's evolution that rejects christianity. Many very intelligent creationists have explaned things, such as neutrino flux etc... that couldn't have ever been explaned otherwise and they have still been rejected by the so-called open-minded, truth-seeking scientific community. Yet these scientists are so biased against christianity they refuse to believe anything that empherically proves their hypothesis wrong. In fact, as a scientist i have seen the careers of many wonderful intelligent people ruined by these same people. I mean when was the last time you've seen public funds go to a christain college to explain global warming or DNA research? Cause i've never seen it happen. I see plenty of creationists in public institutions studing, yet i've never seen an evolutionist reading the bible, and never with an open mind. They always have preconcieved ideas as far as God and christains are concerned. People have a really hard time trying to explain things like this without believing the bible. http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm It astounds me how this man could follow the bible word for word and find all he did, but he did. As a geologist, i am in awe at the pictures of metamorphosed rock at the top of the mountain in the picture of the supposed Mt. Sinai, it's impossibe to heat rock like that unless it's miles under the surface of the earth. The rock at the top of the mountain is Mafic/metamorphosed ( which means it's been heated to it's melting point) and the rock under it felsic ( which means it has not been heated) and yet this mountain is not a volocano, so how did the top of this mountain melt? Yes there's plenty of scientific proof for the existence of God, it's just that you have not been educated by those you entrust to tell you the truth. My problem with science is that it isn't the pursuit of truth anymore.

[Stone]

HAHA I refuse to comment on this topic But SWEETBILLY I am very glad you FINALLY posted and glad you posted your side :wink:

[Vautrin]

Originally Posted by sweetbilly

However, there is there is no signifigant evidence for evolution. No links between man and ape have ever been found (no missing links). Simply because the link never existed. Yes it is true we share a signifigant amount of DNA with primates but that is circumstantial. "from ashes to ashes and dust to dust" <---- God.

Actually there are a lot of possibilities. One is, that one of the creatures that is in existence today was the shared ancestor. The other is, that shared ancestor is not in existence anymore. Mind you the number of apes alive today is very limited, and the climates they live in, are very hard on decomposing bodies, i.e. often with a few years time, there is no trace left.

Man, ape, dogs, horses etc... were all physically created from the same elements and the same God, so should it be so amazing that we share very similar physical attributes? Dosen't really prove one thing or another; however, how can the disparagement in intelligence between man and animal be explaned through evolution? it can't.

It can be explained. One of the most important steps in the evolution was walking upright. Thus freeing the hands to do whatever task was at hand. Fighting, hunting, you name it. Deprive a human baby of doing that, and no intelligence will develop.
Sometimes there are stories of children which were raised by non-humans. They cannot develop speech, and even the most simple tasks are too complex for them. Intelligence is a potential, for which contact with culture is required.

First, where are all of the bodies/fossils of humans? The world has an average birth rate of 1%. Those who believe in evolution believe that humans have been around for 50,000 + yrs. At an average birth rate of 1%, and i don't believe that would change much from present days, the population would be about 600 billion.

And dying? Giving birth could result in the death of both mother and child. The only estimate I know of, is that there were 10 million people 12.000 years ago.

Where are all of the bodies? Even if we threw in a whole bunch of mass extinctions and said man has meet with extinction over and over again it still makes no sence. lets just say for instance evolution happened and those extinctions did happen, If many mass extinctions were to take place and just about wiped out man over the duration of 50,000 yrs, there's still a problem.

I am no archaeologist, so I can't make claims on mass extinctions. But the argument is invalid. Where are all the bodies of the American Civil War? Can't find them? Does that mean the Civil War was not fought? I don't want to see the graves. But the bodies.

Man would not be able to copulate enough to replenish the race without going extinct during this time.

And you believe that seven people, would be enough to copulate on this massive scale?
If inbreeding is bad nowadays, can you imagine the damage inbreeding would have had then?

However, if we calcutate the average birth rate at 1% over 6000 yrs it adds up to alost exactally 6 million people.

And dying? I did the calculation with 1 person only. The number of persons at the end of the calculation was 847770100073679271260704765. Does not seem right. It may be the case however that you fumbled the terms a bit, as birth rates are usually given per 1000 women of the population in the fertile age bracket. But then life expectancy et cetera plays a role, and everything becomes highly complex.

Secondly, all of mans genes can be traced back to seven people, not Adam and Eve but to Noah his sons ect... seven of them got off the ark; the first seven people after the flood.

How could they copulate sufficiently? I can state that all man's genes can be traced back to seven people, but I never have seen any proof of that claim.

Take the first law of thermodynamics for instance, energy cannot make or destroy it's self, but yet we have energy. How could we get energy from nothing without it being created? what is creatintg it?

The first law of thermodynamics is "that the change in internal energy of a system is equal to the heat added to the system minus the work done by the system."
I don't see a contradiction in us having energy. There is a reason we eat food.