The Punishment of Saddam Hussein

[Mondo]

Before 9/11 What was the biggest terrorist attack on US soil? And who commited it?

Originally Posted by Merika

Again....I'm with you in that I can disrespect the person in charge without disrespecting my country. Some people don't seem to be able to do that.

This reminds of when a short-sighted and ungrateful British public ousted Winston Churchill just before Japan fell. Tired of war, the UK traded their nation’s greatest wartime leader for a smooth-talking socialist with promises.

It didn't quite happen like that but from history I can actually understan why we did it, he was a great man, a great war time leader and probably the greatest Britain ever, I say that with all honestly, but he was a crap peace time primeminister

You must understand, the hardest country to get hit in WW2 financially was the UK, are economy was destroyed, as were are cities, and we used what we had to rebuild Germany, Churchill, from previous screw ups was not the man to rebuild us.

Please, no disrespect intended but over my life, all of it, I've lived with terrorism, northern ireland. I can see it from a much clearer point of view. Look up the grand hotel bombing on google for one thing, I walk past that building every day, My dad saw it first hand. Terrorism for Irish and Nationalist groups is so common over here that its normal, or was till recently when it was solved to a degree. Most people don't even realise but all public buildings, street plans, even the lay out of trash bins in are streets is geared so if a car bomb went off it couldn't be near a major building and in a bomb was put in a bin it wouldn't cause as much harm as it could do. Go into a shopping centre anywhere in the UK, try to find a bin, you won't be able to, they were all removed or planned without them to prevent bombs. Get this, if your building has a forecourt like the American Express building in my city, they are designed to collapse if a car drives on them which will hopefully prevent a bomb going of, or it will be under the forecourt. My dad worked in teh Sorting office for Royal Mail, every week, without fail, there would be a bomb scare. Now that is happening on my front door.

The moral of the story there is, what decision is the right one to make, we made the right one 30 years after the major bloodshed after allot of wrong ones and allot of people died., we sat down and talked it over..but I've said this several times on this forum so I won't rant again.

[Duke]

Truth is that few people really know the absolute truth. Regardless of country, regardless of circumstances, if circumstances call for a cover up then that's exactly what you get.

You can go all through history, read up on every experts view and still never know the complete story. That's what makes political discussions so heated, the different views and different belief structure of everyone watching the events and filtering them with their own predjudice.

There is one certainty though and that is that war is hell. The problem becomes that in many, if not all circumstances, too many of the wrong people pay the price for some stupid decisions made by a handful of political advisers.

[Merika]

Mondo....I was going to pick a piece of your post and reply....especially the part about the US not being hit by terrorist before 9/11. That is a misnomer and an untruth.


Lets go to your situation. I DO CARE! I know that Northern Ireland loyalist want to continue being a part of the UK.....as opposed to the Irish Repubican Army, who want to see a united Ireland.

I know very little about this....other than the media portraying it as a 'disagreement' between Protestant and Catholic strong holds. If you know more about it, and I'm thinking you do, please share it! I want my children and all who read these types of forums to know the truth from the inside.

I can truly say...based on that.....that I would understand why you feel the way you do about Tony Blair. He has not dealt with this in an amicable manner. I would feel frustrated too.

The only thing I know about Tony Blair is the way he has supported OUR country. I will always respect him for that.

[Merika]

I DID want to add this in case there was any question as to if our thoughts of future attacks hold any weight:


Purported Al-Qaeda tape threatens to attack US 'at any moment'

Thursday, October 28, 2004, 7:30PM EDT


WASHINGTON (AFP) - A man describing himself as an American member of Al-Qaeda threatened a new wave of attacks on the United States "at any moment," in a videotape broadcast by ABC News.

A Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) spokesman told ABC the 75-minute tape "appears to have been produced by Al-Qaeda's media organization, al Sahab productions," and is marked with the same logo and graphics seen on previous videos released by Al-Qaeda. But agency officials said they have not been able to authenticate the tape.

The US network said it acquired the tape Friday from a source known to have Taliban and Al-Qaeda contacts in the tribal region of Pakistan. ABC said it paid the source 500 dollars in transportation fees.

The tape features a man identified only as "Azzam the American," with only his eyes showing through a checkered black-and-white Arabic headscarf covering his face. He was holding a rifle and wearing a vest covered with ammunition pouches.

"No, my fellow countrymen you are guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. You are as guilty as Bush and Cheney. You're as guilty as Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Powell," the man said in what he called message to America. "After decades of American tyranny and oppression, now it's our turn to die. Allah willing, the streets of America will run red with blood matching drop for drop the blood of American victims."

Officials and experts interviewed by ABC speculated that the man on the tape may have learned English as a child in a household of non-native speakers and that English was not his first language.

US officials believe there are several Americans working with Al-Qaeda, including Adam Gadahn, a former California student who is wanted for questioning by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. But intelligence officials told ABC the voice on the tape does not match Gadahn's or that of any Americans suspected of being part of Al-Qaeda.


I think they are pulling this crap to try to sway our elections like they did in Spain.....but it AIN'T gonna happen! We have more resolve as a nation than that!

[Mondo]

That statement, right or wrong but let me put this in perspective using Northern Ireland. The police here would get thousands of similar threat letters a year during the troubles. I said in another post my dad used to work at Royal Mail, there would be a threat every week there about a parcel bomb. 99.99999% of them were false hoax's. To put that in perspective.

Originally Posted by Merika

Mondo....I was going to pick a piece of your post and reply....especially the part about the US not being hit by terrorist before 9/11. That is a misnomer and an untruth.

I didn't say that, I said whats the major attack before that. It was by an American. Its just a point Im trying to make.

Originally Posted by Merika

Lets go to your situation. I DO CARE! I know that Northern Ireland loyalist want to continue being a part of the UK.....as opposed to the Irish Repubican Army, who want to see a united Ireland.

Good, because it upsets me deeply the IRA were allowed to collect funds in the US which they then bought weapons and killed my fellow countrymen with in full view of the US.

Originally Posted by Merika

The only thing I know about Tony Blair is the way he has supported OUR country. I will always respect him for that.

We didn't vote him in to support the US, we voted him in to lead the UK and do what we want by popular vote. he's ignored that and used subterfuge and supported the US which we didnt want. Thats no reason to respect him, thats a reason to disrespect him. You cherish democracy? Well Tony doesn't obviously.

[Merika]

You know....I doubt few world leaders get up each morning and ask themselves what they can do that day to further screw up their country. MOST do what they think is best based on the knowledge they have.

Some leaders are just messed up though. This is where voting counts. The majority of the people, or in our case the electoral vote representing the people, SHOULD be the indication as to whether most people agree with the leader or not.

There is also impeachment.

I'm not sure how the UK system is set up. I really should know and don't.

[Mondo]

Do they think of whats best for there nation? Or for themselves? Or for the companies they have affiliations with? Sorry but theres to many questions that hang over the heads of MP's, senators etc about there affiliations with companies for me to honestly think they always do whats best for the nation they work for or represent.

They way it works here is you can mail your MP with a complaint. If enough MP's get enough complaints they can ask for a vote of no confidence in the houses of parliament.. This is good in practice but since most MP's are affliated with the party currently in power they won't do much about it because they don't want to loose there grip on power.

They can also do it off there own initiative. I wouldn't be suprised if there isn't one this year but we have an election next spring so most MP's are probably being patient and waiting for that.

[Merika]

We have our share of pork barrel politics too!

I used to work for British Airways and I think Lord Greaves is a great big A$$! Since 60% of BA's business is out of India....if there were a conflict....how would be possibly be able to look out for the welfare of the UK?

[Mondo]

Why would we have a conflict with India? We actually sit in a council called the commonwealth so we talk things over first. Like the Un.

There are freinds. You US guys think about war and conflict far to much.

The only country to have a possible conflict with India is Pakistan but that isn't going to happen.

[Merika]

I was just using it as an example. I'm not so sure about Pakistan and India. Just last year they were literally putting the other countries name on nuclear bombs. LOL!

[Duke]

Back to Hussein, why is he still alive?

[Wapwap]

Originally Posted by Duke

Back to Hussein, why is he still alive?

Why not?

[Merika]

I would think the Iraqi people would have to get through their elections on Jan 5th first in order to have some settled government. After that, he should be put on trial in front of the Iraqi people with help from the United Nations.