Hillary Clinton - Should She Concede?

[darkangelism]

oh yeah we waste tons of money i agree, government is way to big. my gf current is an intern for a us congressman and im hoping i cant get to meet him and chat about government

[darkangelism]

Originally Posted by IvyRose

You don't think there are wait times for Private Health Care Insurance holders in America, DA?

When you have a child, dying on a Hospital bed because there are no other Doctors available to perform an emergency lifesaving surgery, then you can come talk to me.

Until then, your perspective to me on Health Care in America is elitist.

there are wait times, but not like in countries with universal healthcare, here you may wait a month there you may wait a year.

And yeah i have an upper middle class view, as thats what i am.

[PepsiChic]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

there are wait times, but not like in countries with universal healthcare, here you may wait a month there you may wait a year.

And yeah i have an upper middle class view, as thats what i am.

thats not really true. there are long waiting times for things like transplants etc because of lack of donors, its nothing to do with the medical system itself.

everything else the waiting times are minimal, ive had a few operations and waited maybe 6 weeks for it, but i dont have to pay anything, and its not an emergency, i was always treated with the best care and never had a problem.

[IvyRose]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

there are wait times, but not like in countries with universal healthcare, here you may wait a month there you may wait a year.

And yeah i have an upper middle class view, as thats what i am.

What you don't understand is, Upper Middle Class is being affected by the Health Care System too.

Not only is your view distorted from being Upper Middle Class, but I'm willing to bet you have no one in your family that has been seriously ill yet.

My father has worked his bottom off all of his life and had to wait a month for an available Doctor to perform a surgery on his eyes in order to go back to work. A month's wages down the drain, good thing he is well off.

To top that off, he had to pay $2,000 for surgery plus prescriptions. He has such a nice job that his work pays for his Insurance Premiums. Thank goodness or he probably wouldn't be able to afford premiums anymore after the surgery.

He was actually pretty shocked about how he was treated and how hard it was to find a Doctor available. After all, he is an Upper Middle Class white male, living in America and it actually opened his eyes to see just how bad our Health Care System has gotten.

Since you wanted to provide proof on how bad Universal Care is in other Countries with Blogs and articles from as way back as 2005, I figured I could show you a propaganda type film from Roger Moore's "Sicko" with many many stories of how Americans (a lot of Middle Class Citizens) have been treated by our System.

SiCKO - The Official Site - In Theaters June 29th » American Health Care

There are some comments in there that agree completely with you and see from your point of view. Just don't blink your eye because you may lose them in the vast majority of posts that are angry.

I agree with you that the Universal Health Care System for America would not be the ideal solution. I am just disappointed that you, of all people, have such a careless attitude towards the 'poor' who are discriminated against as well. Also the fact that you don't see that it is happening to your elite group too.

I hope that one day, when you have another accident while driving, that you don't end up in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. That the driver responsible for the accident is without a driver's license, vehicle insurance, and is incarcerated for all of the above. It will be a long battle for you to try to sue this person and you will probably go bankrupt by the time you see any restitution.

We are all vulnerable to horrific tragedies in our lifetime. No one is above getting hurt and having to live through it. I hope you at least see that, you may someday be on the other side of the fence even if it is at no fault of your own.

That is how I view poor people. I may be one of them someday and I hope and pray that someone would take mercy on me and give me a freaking break.

Anyway, it's been fun debating with you on this. Health Care may be great for another topic.

Hillary! Go away!

[darkangelism]

well even michael moore didnt support hilary

[IvyRose]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

well even michael moore didnt support hilary

LMAO!

[Mondo]

I think sicko really highlighted that big business should be removed from social care. If there is a profit to be made in anything then business will exploit that even if there is a human cost. Share holders are more important, obviously.