went on an interview

[Merika]

I think all that was in place in the UK long before 9/11. However, with stricter measure in Europe...they HAVE been able to close down several terrorists cells which has helped a whole lot.

[Vautrin]

That is probably not true. In the Netherlands, if we are to believe the scarce reports by the Secret Service, fundamentalism is in the rise. Terrorism is on the rise. And it will remain that way. And as everyone knows only one attack is sufficient. And if you make it hard to commit 2 succesful attacks, then the first succesful one has to be a massive success. That is, why use a few bombs? Try to get hold of nuclear technology. That will have an impact.

And with idiotic campaigns to warn the population of the possibility of terrorist attacks, and the appaling (in terms of quality) public debate on terrorism and fundamentalism leads to even more people who are interested in committing terrorist acts. We have seen that in the past 2 years.

Let me elaborate a bit further:

Animal cruelty is punishable by law, but not when it is an enterprise. Bio-industry, even in its most appalling forms is excluded from all considerations of animal cruelty.

The government has passed a law, that implies that animal right activists are terrorists. This is mostly about a small group of people who help animals escape, most notably minks (I think that is the word in English). Animals that are solely bred for the fur, and all concerns for health of the animals do not matter at all.

This implies, that disrupting of an unethical treatment of animals, as conceded by law, is a terrorist activity, if the disruption is of an economical pursuit for profit.

People know this as well, and this does not contribute to safety at all. Equality for the law means that you cannot beat up a pig, but you are perfectly entitled to squeeze 12 pigs in an area of (say) 50 square feet. Many animals even have to have surgery, in order to prevent injuries in these small spaces! But apparently, the idea that larger areas per pig might lessen injuries to the pigs, is too insane to consider.

Transport issues, with for instance sheep going from the Netherlands to Italy to be slaughtered there. That is about 1300 miles on the road. And why? Because slaughter might be as much as a few dimes cheaper in Italy than here. And of course then be driven back again. A large portion of the animals does not even survive such rides (on the way to Italy). But animal cruelty? Nah, that would be insane. Letting animals die, knowing beforehand that the animals will die because of transport conditions, and calling that animal cruelty? People must have gone out of their mind :roll:.

And of course I could have drawn out the long history of the Dutch government of supporting terrorist regimes. And sad to say, even to this day that continues. Most people know that as well.

The Netherlands is hypocritical about terrorism. Stricter laws won't help, if the government only uses the law when it suits the purpose of the government.

[darkangelism]

animal rights activists are nuts

[Vautrin]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

animal rights activists are nuts

And why?

[darkangelism]

well PETA's most recent campaign was that animals deserve the same rights as humans, they are equal to humans. They used pictures of slavery to reprsent animals, and pissed off a lot of black people.

I mean im all for not hurting animals, but that doesnt mean we arent better then them and can use them for our needs.

[Vautrin]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

well PETA's most recent campaign was that animals deserve the same rights as humans, they are equal to humans. They used pictures of slavery to reprsent animals, and pissed off a lot of black people.

I don't know about this campaign. It might be a bit over the top, but I am not going to comment on this.

Interestingly, there is a big discrepancy for what people think of animals, and what people think of their pets, who more and more are becoming members of the family.

I mean im all for not hurting animals, but that doesnt mean we arent better then them and can use them for our needs.

How far are you going to take it? That is the question everyone should ask.

I have no problem with people who eat meat. I'd appreciate it if people would not act as if I am a freak, when they learn I am a vegetarian.

I do have a problem with people who claim it is healthy for humans to eat meat of animals that have been mistreated extensively, as there is research available that suggests that the better the life a cow or sheep has, the better the quality of the meat she will become. Those people are mostly lobbyists for the bio-industry.

I do have a problem who call mistreatment of animals mistreatment if an individual commits an act, but refuses to call it mistreatment if a corporation / economic enterprise commits the same act. That is the politicians who are responsible for writing ridiculous laws, and making them even more ridiculous.

I do have a problem with the slaughter (and subsequent destruction) of hundreds of millions of animals because of export issues. Foot and mouth disease, BSE. Pigs' plague (if that is the correct term). Totally unnecessary, and a waste of capital as well.

And there are reasons to suspect that BSE is caused by the food the cows were fed. Yet, the idea of feeding cows and other animals decent food is so shocking, that it was not even made law.
And we will be wondering how it was possible that a future pandemic will claim so many victims :roll:

[darkangelism]

well it was and law in the US as the fact that BSE has not been found in the US. I am probably willing to take it less far then you are, i think things are fine the way they are for the most part.

[Merika]

PETA

People
Eating
Tofu
Everyday

.............because fish have feelings!