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Old 08-01-2008, 12:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is a subject that I am very passionate about. I wanted to share this with you all. I am constantly writing congressmen and editors of newspapers and magazines trying to bring attention to this issue, thus far it has been no avail.

I grew up in rural Southern West Virginia. In the heart of central Appalachia. West Virginia is known for it's coal mines. However, coal mines are quickly becoming a thing of the past in West Virginia, Eastern Kentucky, and Eastern Tennessee. That's right, they no longer dig deep holes into the sides of moutains. Instead they just find a mountain with coal in it and blow off the top of the mountain removing the coal as they go. The left over stuff, which is anything that isn't coal, gets pushed into the valleys. It destroys entire communities. It pollutes the water. As of 2001 over 1,000 miles of streams were buried. (This same water drains into the Ohio River, and then into the Mississippi and ultimately effects more than just Central Appalachia.)

It breaks my heart to see this. It is a scar on the land. It is no less dangerous than deep mining (I had an uncle die while working at a mountain top removal site) and it takes far less men to remove the coal than deep mines, which hurts the local economy. The biggest "site" of mountain top removal is as large as Washington D.C. and can be seen on Google Earth.

Go here to see pictures of actual mountain top removal sites:

Mountaintop Removal Mining - High Resolution Photos

There is an author named Silas House who is from Eastern Kentucky who said this all much more eloquently than I ever could. I'm going to quote parts of his speech in the post but you can read then entire thing here:

A Country Boy Can Surmise

"Something is rotten in the state of Appalachia.

Mountaintop removal isn’t going to end anytime soon. We’re an energy-hungry nation, a selfish country that won’t even look into ways to reduce the use of gas and electricity. Our government won’t explore things like mass transit or wind and solar technology because they say Americans don’t want that. And frankly I’m not one of those people who call for the end of the coal industry. That’s just not realistic to me. But I do believe that we can fight for coal mining to be done in a more responsible and respectful way. We can fight for this and win, too. There is the possibility of making that happen. People in other parts of the country don’t allow things like this to happen, and we can stand up and make it stop, too. We can make sure that our streams are protected, that our people are protected.

There is just no excuse in this world for a sludge impoundment holding billions of gallons of toxic coal sludge to be located just above the Marsh Fork Elementary School in Raleigh County, West Virginia. Where else in America could this happen but Appalachia? Would people in Massachusetts or California or Montana allow this? No. So why do we? Things like that make me want to just give up. When I think of those children in that school, being put in danger like that everyday…well, it’s almost too much. It’s enough to make you lose faith in your country. But then, the next second, something else kicks in and knowledge like that makes me want to fight harder."

The coal is washed and treated before it is loaded on trains. The excess water left over from this process is called coal slurry or sludge and is stored in open coal impoundments. Coal sludge is a mix of water, coal dust, clay and toxic chemicals such as arsenic mercury, lead, copper, and chromium. Impoundments are held in place by mining debris, making them very unstable. These slurry ponds do burst and the result is horrific. There was a 72 acre slurry pond that busted in Martin County, Kentucky in 2000. (I have a lot of family and a lot of my roots come from Martin County.) Anyway, this spill released over 300 million gallons of sludge into the streams. That is over 20 times more liquid than was lost during the memorable Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska.

I don't think coal mining should be stopped. I understand it's the bread and butter of a lot of Central Appalachian families, including many of my own family and friends. However, there has got to be a better way. If the coal companies would go back to deep mining it would create more jobs, and a better overall economic standing for the people being affected by this horrible crime agains nature.

I want every generation that follows me to know the joy of watching the sun rise over the tops of those mountains on a sleepy summer morning. I was home recently and stayed with my Granny, who lives on land that has been in our family for nearly 200 years. I woke up early one morning and stepped out onto her porch. It had been a while since I'd been at her house and awake at that hour and I had forgotten how beautiful it is at that time of day. Birds, just waking, were singing. The sun was begining to burn the dew off the ground and was creating a mist that clung to the grass and leaves of the trees. The air smelled fresh and clean. I stood there, wide eyed with wonder wishing I could take that moment and put it into a box to share with the world. I thought that maybe if they could experience that moment, they would understand the reason that Mountain Top Removal is so horrific. If this doesn't stop by the time my generation is grandparents, there will be very few mountains left. West Virginia will no longer be the Mountain State, it will be the Plateau State.

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Old 08-01-2008, 03:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I read about this somewhere else and was appauled by it.
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Why do I fear, that they will not stop until criminal charges are levelled against the offenders, and public officials?
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Old 08-01-2008, 10:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It won't stop unless the people of the area stand up for themselves and make it stop. As Silas House mentioned, the brainwashing of the past 100+ years is working. They all feel like they're is nothing to be done, that the coal companies will leave and they'll loose jobs. They don't understand that King Coal will go after the coal anyway that they must, even if that would mean going back to deep mining if mountain top removal was ever banned. Ole King Coal doesn't want to do that though, as that will hurt their profits.

A friend of mine lives right beside a location where they are doing this mountain top removal. She called me once crying because a mine forman came to her house and told her to stay inside and away from all windows or open doors for the next hour because they were blasting! This turned out to be a twice weekly occurance! She has a beautiful peice of property. It's on top of a ridge and has breathtaking views... as long as you don't look behind her house, then all you'll see is the remnants of a mountain.
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I looked at those pictures and wanted to cry! Devastating! There HAS to be a better way!
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I don't think coal mining should be stopped. I understand it's the bread and butter of a lot of Central Appalachian families, including many of my own family and friends. However, there has got to be a better way. If the coal companies would go back to deep mining it would create more jobs, and a better overall economic standing for the people being affected by this horrible crime agains nature.

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With all due respect Ayla- deep mining is extremely dangerous. A Google search of coal mining accidents and health issues will show how this is safer for the mine workers- they just need to find a way to maintain the fallout.


There will never be a perfectly lovely way to collect and distribute any fossil fuels. Oil, coal, whatever- it all involves raping the land of something held deep within.


The answer to energy is so far from us right now. People everywhere are searching alternatives alternatives alternatives as though there is a Eureka solution we just haven't thought of yet.


People just can't grasp that you can't have the trains run on time and still maintain beautiful scenery out the window to pass if you happen to be on the train.

Nuclear energy is safe and clean but but people are afraid of the fall out

Wind energy would turn lands into a blur of mills and you would see deforestation and lack of farm land and eventually leveling of mountains to accommodate the number of mills that would be needed to go strictly wind.

Solar energy is progressing but still not very efficient and incredibly expensive.

If you were told you had to use fire to warm homes- people would cry out against deforestation

If you told everyone that there would be no lights other than candles after dark you would have PETA crying that bees aren't slave labor for the candle industry.

Not to mention all the jobs that would be lost if we went to truly green (and likewise primitive) means of energy.



The truth is- we can't have it all. Until people can get on the same page as to what they consider more important - fuel or beauty - speed or scenery- we will continue to see these debates rage on without any true progress being made.
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**On a side note- that is one of the most well written topic starters I've seen in a long time! I hope you are writing to your government, mining companies, etc... if you truly feel this strongly. You have a wonderful grasp of written communication
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With all due respect Ayla- deep mining is extremely dangerous. A Google search of coal mining accidents and health issues will show how this is safer for the mine workers- they just need to find a way to maintain the fallout.

No, I agree that deep mining is extremely dangerous. Deep mines still exist. Coal companies still deep mine in places they can't get permits to do mountain top removal. My uncle is an electricion in the deep mines. My friends husband and brother are deep miners. i went to school with them both. I have another friend who's husband was injured in a deep mining accident and is now disabled. A lot of the reason that accidents happen is a lack of strict safety procedures and a lack of accountability for the owners of the mines. Outdated equipment and procedures run rampant. Those who deep mine know the risks. Just like police officers and military. They know they put their lives on the line each time they go to work.

The thing is, mountain top removal is no less dangerous. Its just that it takes less people, so that means less accidents. I know several people who were injured during mountain top removal when the huge dump trucks (we're talking like the wheels are bigger than small houses) they were driving flipped backwards during a dump. A few of them had to have several back surgeries as a result and are lucky they can walk.

By stopping mountain top removal you will improve the enviroment and create much needed jobs in a very poor area. Mountain top removal doesn't just hurt the environment, it puts the lives of those who live near it in danger. Where my granny lives, the closest MTR spot is probably 20 miles away. However since they've started filling in the valleys and cutting off the streams with rubble and trash and chemicals, her water has gotten so bad you can't drink it. She has well water and the sulfer taste and smell is awful. She cooks with it and showers in it, but even the dogs won't drink it. She has to buy jugs and jugs of water to have to drink. This wasn't always the case. When I was a kid my granny had the best tasting water you could ever hope to drink.

Coal is a bid deal and stopping MTR may not happen in my lifetime. Tho I will fight like hell for it. Did you know that the United States Government actually dropped bombs on its own people in the name of Coal in 1921? They did. Google "Blair Mountain WV" and you'll find more than you want to know. (By the way, coal companies are now wanting to do Mountain Top Removal on Blair Mountian!)
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The answer to energy is so far from us right now. People everywhere are searching alternatives alternatives alternatives as though there is a Eureka solution we just haven't thought of yet.

Meanwhile we ignore the Eureka solution that has been staring us in the face for 60 years. Nuclear power. With breeder reactors, and reprossesing of spent fuel, we will never run out of fissile material to fuel them. Zero emissions, dangerous waste products, (which are minimal), can be safely stored away indefinitely. There is no reason we should'nt be building reactors anywhere, and everywhere we can.
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The answer to energy is so far from us right now. People everywhere are searching alternatives alternatives alternatives as though there is a Eureka solution we just haven't thought of yet.

Meanwhile we ignore the Eureka solution that has been staring us in the face for 60 years. Nuclear power. With breeder reactors, and reprossesing of spent fuel, we will never run out of fissile material to fuel them. Zero emissions, dangerous waste products, (which are minimal), can be safely stored away indefinitely. There is no reason we should'nt be building reactors anywhere, and everywhere we can.
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Meanwhile we ignore the Eureka solution that has been staring us in the face for 60 years. Nuclear power. With breeder reactors, and reprossesing of spent fuel, we will never run out of fissile material to fuel them. Zero emissions, dangerous waste products, (which are minimal), can be safely stored away indefinitely. There is no reason we should'nt be building reactors anywhere, and everywhere we can.

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