Ailing Manson Follower Asks For Early Release

[Scott]

Originally Posted by SundayGirl

She should have long been executed.

Since her sentence is now life in prison, she should be expected to serve it.

BUT WHY?

I don't know how sick she is, but I really don't feel treatened by a Termanilly Ill old woman.

[caddis]

She got life and she's still living. 'nuff said

Originally Posted by Fayebelle

I have to spread rep before giving it to Scott again

it's a good thing I'm a noob that understand what you just said

Originally Posted by Fayebelle

Again if the only reason to hold HER there is punishment- when nobody else is supposedly being held for punishment- then the sentence is unjust.

I disagree. I believe everyone is in prison for punishment and we try to rehabilitate those that can be rehabilitated.

[SundayGirl]

Originally Posted by Scott

BUT WHY?...

She did the crime, she can do the time.

Keep in mind she didn't give a damn about her fate during the trial - why start now?

[Scott]

Originally Posted by caddis

I disagree. I believe everyone is in prison for punishment and we try to rehabilitate those that can be rehabilitated.

Well, I believe in Easter Bunnies that Ride Unicorns, but it doesn't make them REAL.

Do you have a resource quoting the Mission Statement of any US Prison that says they "Punish and Try to Rehabilitate?"

[caddis]

Originally Posted by Scott

Do you have a resource quoting the Mission Statement of any US Prison that says they "Punish and Try to Rehabilitate?"

No. This isn't about a prison's mission statement (I'm sure they try to rehabilitate all of them..bully for the prisons) I'm speaking about what most of society in just about any culture believes the main purpose for prison is. Punishment. It's inherent. Why have set prison terms? Why give someone 25 years if they can be rehabilitated in 6 months?

[Scott]

Originally Posted by caddis

No. This isn't about a prison's mission statement (I'm sure they try to rehabilitate all of them..bully for the prisons) I'm speaking about what most of society in just about any culture believes the main purpose for prison is. Punishment. It's inherent. Why have set prison terms? Why give someone 25 years if they can be rehabilitated in 6 months?

Inherent? According to who? Have you done some sort of census? A poll?


I think most people believe criminals are incarcerated to protect society. The severity of their sentances reflects society's expectations about how dangerous they are, not how much punishment they deserve.

[F&L]

Originally Posted by Fayebelle

Again if the only reason to hold HER there is punishment- when nobody else is supposedly being held for punishment- then the sentence is unjust.

Everyone in prison is being punished. Being terminally ill doesn't suddenly make her sentence unjust. Someone with a life sentence isn't in prison to be rehabilitated. People die in prison all the time. I see no reason to make an exception for her.

AGAIN, What difference does it make if she dies outside prison?

She's a murderer and she doesn't deserve the freedom.

Yep, and her victims didn't die in or out of prison of a terminal illness.

What's your point?

No, they died horrible deaths.

Tex leaped forward, stuck his hand through the car window, aimed at the driver's head, and pulled the trigger four times. The first victim in the Tate-LaBianca killings was eighteen-year-old Steven Parent, in the wrong place at the wrong time. While Kasabian waited below by the car, the other three Family members entered the Tate home. Within minutes, the screams began. Watson would later describe the next four victims "as running around the place like chickens with their heads cut off." In all, the four victims received 102 stab wounds. Sharon Tate was the last to die, knived by Watson while she was held down by Susan Atkins. Atkins said later that she tasted Tate's blood and found it to be "warm and sticky." She took some of Tate's blood and used it to scrawl, on the porch wall, "PIG."

Police found Leno LaBianca with a knife lodged in his throat, twelve stab wounds, and seven pairs of fork wounds. The word "WAR" had been carved on his stomach. Rosemary LaBianca was found with multiple stab wounds in her chest and neck. On the LaBianca's living room wall, written in blood, were the words "DEATH TO PIGS" and "RISE." On the refrigerator door was written, "HEALTER SKELTER."
An Account of the Charles Manson (Tate-LaBianca Murder) Trial of 1970-71.

Originally Posted by Scott

I think most people believe criminals are incarcerated to protect society. The severity of their sentances reflects society's expectations about how dangerous they are, not how much punishment they deserve.

Same thing.

[F&L]

BTW - I found a working link.

Parole panel denies compassionate release for Manson follower Susan Atkins - Los Angeles Times

[Scott]

Originally Posted by F&L

BTW - I found a working link.

Parole panel denies compassionate release for Manson follower Susan Atkins - Los Angeles Times

I'm glad you found this....I was wondering how the story ended.

[caddis]

Originally Posted by Scott

Inherent? According to who?

It's not according to anyone, it's inherent because it exists that way and logical reasoning backs me:

As I said, why set prison terms? Why give someone a 25 year sentence if they are "rehabilitated" in 2 years? That must imply the remaining 23 years are punishment.

Why give someone a life sentence?

Why give them a death sentence?

[Scott]

Originally Posted by caddis

It's not according to anyone, it's inherent because it exists that way and logical reasoning backs me:

As I said, why set prison terms? Why give someone a 25 year sentence if they are "rehabilitated" in 2 years? That must imply the remaining 23 years are punishment.

Why give someone a life sentence?

Why give them a death sentence?

No, Logical reasoning backs ME.

Why set prison terms?: Because they represent the amount of time society would expect someone to need to be rehabilitated or protected from any given criminal.

[Vautrin]

Don't you find it a bit worrying that the US has more prisoners per capita than China?

How effective is the punishment? How effective is the rehabilitation? Deterrent wise, it is obvious that the US prison system is not effective.

[Scott]

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