Global Warming

[VachelVace]

Global Warming is dangerous
to me its a big deal there millions of thing that are distroing the earth,like

1. pine beetles the are distroing the trees witch .so less ocsagine and the only reason the tree papulation is dicreesing cause the frost does not stay long anoff for the pine beetles to die.
2. ozon lyer , the ozon lyer is thining from the gass of cars and factorise is carbon dioxcid .
3. plastic bags, um evry time i go out i see plastic bags littered on the ground so i say eather reacycle the bags our your own bag to a store.
4. littering, just hold on to you garbige and wait for a garbige can our recycaling bine.

whats your segestgen to a cleaner planet

[Vautrin]

- more investments in alternative fuels. Solar cells, wind energy, etc.

- decent public transport / car pooling.

- disallow shops from selling plastic bags, but allowing them to sell more solid bags.

[VachelVace]

your right

[IR_Efrem]

To me the driving force behind most of the problems in society is one thing, Greed.

To many people are taking on the attitude that it will not be my problem by the time that I am gone and they are doing everything that they can to get richer. The people that hold the true wealth on this planet will only do things that make them more money and they do not care about much else.

We all know what needs to be done to slow down the deterioration of our environment but there are not enough people that are willing to give up their comforts to do it.

I apologize for sounding so cynical, but I think that much more needs to change besides a little recycling and picking up trash. An entire society of people needs to stop and figure out what is important BEFORE we destroy it.

[darkangelism]

im a global warming skeptic, i see no evidence that this isnt just a natural warming period, but with that being said i drive a hybrid, and try to use as little energy as possible, but mostly to save money.

[IR_Efrem]

Skeptic or not, tell me how it is good to be destroying most of our vegetation. I don't want to argue about global warming, because my view on that is undecided. I honestly believe that mankind is indeed doing some sort of harm. I challenge anyone to find absolute proof that we are not doing harm.

[Duke]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

im a global warming skeptic, i see no evidence that this isnt just a natural warming period,

This comment makes me laugh because it's really the only comment that a skeptic these days can make that's general enough to state opinion without actually backing up your point. No offense meant da but the evidence that we are contributing to our planets warming trend is all around us. This is not to say we are the only factor in global warming but to refute the fact we are contributing to it is nonsense.

While it's true that lowering vehicle emissions will help that still accounts for only 35% of greenhouse gases, much of the remainder is provided by industry with a small percentage being natural factors such as volcanic activity, forest fires, etc. The really sad part is that we know trees are one resource that naturally filters carbon from the air yet we clear hectares upon hectares of them daily from all around the world (not just the rain forest).

Sure we can lower our emissions by driving cleaner cars but the cost of purchasing an alternative fuel car is not something that your average consumer can afford. Even if the price were to come down it would have to come down drastically to live with some of the limits that these vehicles impose. I live in an area that is pretty mountainous and I'd hate to get stuck in the middle of nowhere in shoebox with a dead battery and no qualified technician within 100 miles to change it out for what, around 6 - 10 grand?

If we're to embrace alternative fuel technology then government programs need to be put in place that reward car makers for producing cleaner cars and rewarding car buyers with major tax incentives and price breaks in insurance, maintenance, etc. The other issue is that the only vehicles that are mass produced are all fossil fuel so they will remain the cheapest vehicles to purchase until such time as a clear leader in alternative fuel emerges. The current crop of alternative fuel vehicles such as E85, Electric, Hydrogen, etc., all have their pros and cons such as performance, range, purchase price, maintenance, lifetime and lack of re-fueling infrastructure.

As an example, try owning an Electric vehicle that recharges via a wall outlet when you live in a high rise, forget it. All it's going to take is one smart@ss to unplug your bl00dy car to make you late for work every day. Of course this even assumes you live in a metropolitan area that has access to recharge your vehicle overnight which I'm willing to bet most apartment complexes do not (at least not in Vancouver).

I know it doesn't sound like it but I really do believe in alternative fuel but the problem is that it's too expensive and poorly organized at a government level. The only incentive to purchase a clean car these days is to save money at the pump but if you can afford one of these cars you can afford the gas to fill a Hummer every 6 minutes as well.

You want clean cars I have the recipe; make them cheap, make them reliable, and give us tax cuts for helping the frogs in Mullholland Swamp croak a little clearer.

[VachelVace]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

im a global warming skeptic, i see no evidence that this isnt just a natural warming period, but with that being said i drive a hybrid, and try to use as little energy as possible, but mostly to save money.

if you don't belive in global warming then way are you posting a coment and there is so much evadince that global worming is comming and did you even read the coment that ir_efrm rote.

[aunty honney]

your right rachel

[Dwoing]

Question: How can you "not believe" in global warming?
It's not a religion...

And even if you don't "believe" in global warming, you can't possibly disagree with the fact that we are slowly killing ourselves...

[Vautrin]

But Dwoing, if I hold the belief that oranges are purple, then that is still a belief. It may not be correct though.

[Dwoing]

true

[darkangelism]

i dont believe in the fact that humans are affecting the temperature of the earth any more today then they were 5000 years ago, how come the earth is warmer now in the last 20 years but not 100 years ago when we polluted more out of factories? or deforested eastern US over the last 5 centuries, created the sahara desert by deforestation?


sorry for the bad formatting, i really dont want to edit it to make it look clean,lol.

Here are some quotes from various scientists

"Timothy F. Ball, former Professor of Geography, University of Winnipeg: "[The world's climate] warmed from 1680 up to 1940, but since 1940 it's been cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The satellite data, for example, shows cooling." (November 2004)[5] "There's been warming, no question. I've never debated that; never disputed that. The dispute is, what is the cause. And of course the argument that human CO2 being added to the atmosphere is the cause just simply doesn't hold up..." (May 18, 2006; at 15:30 into recording of interview)[6] "The temperature hasn't gone up. ... But the mood of the world has changed: It has heated up to this belief in global warming." (August 2006)[7] "Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. ... By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling." (Feb. 5, 2007)"

• Robert M. Carter, geologist, researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia: "the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998 ... there is every doubt whether any global warming at all is occurring at the moment, let alone human-caused warming."[9]

• Vincent R. Gray, coal chemist, climate consultant, founder of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition: "The two main 'scientific' claims of the IPCC are the claim that 'the globe is warming' and 'Increases in carbon dioxide emissions are responsible'. Evidence for both of these claims is fatally flawed."[10]

• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences: "There has been no warming since 1997 and no statistically significant warming since 1995." [11][12]"Most of the climate community has agreed since 1988 that global mean temperatures have increased on the order of one degree Fahrenheit over the past century, having risen significantly from about 1919 to 1940, decreased between 1940 and the early ’70s, increased again until the ’90s, and remaining essentially flat since 1998."

And some light reading, my view is more common then you may think, im just not influenced by the fearmongering media.


Dr. Tim Ball, Historical Climatologist On the real danger for Canada, global cooling Frontier Centre for Public Policy Climate of controversy Ottawa Citizen May 2006 Mr.Cool Nurturing doubt about climate change is big business August 2006
4. Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? Ball, Timothy Canada Free Press February 2007
5. "High price for load of hot air". Retrieved on 2007-12-18.
6. New Zealand Climate Science Coalition - CALL FOR REVIEW OF UN IPCC
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