lol

[hornetguy]

does walmart sell condoms?

[Duke]

Yes they do actually: http://www.sexualityandu.ca/eng/news...ex_condoms.cfm

[hornetguy]

lmao funny.

[Duke]

I'm not entirely sure why you find that funny.

I think they should sell condoms everywhere. Don't some high schools now have dispensing machines with condoms in them? Maybe with them in our face all the time, unwanted pregnancies would decrease right along with STD's.

[hornetguy]

yes it's true, but they think abstinence programs work better, where as condoms should compliment it where desires and feeling begin to overrun rational feelings, whether or not they can abstain or not.

[Duke]

I agree with what you're saying hornet, but have little to no faith in abstinence programs. Most of us have been, or will be, overwhelmed at one time or another by feelings for their partner. So much so that the immediate reaction is much more physical than logical which is what leads to the statistics we see with unplanned parenting, etc.

The other problem I have with programs like this is they generalize the problem and probable solutions. The only thing that works is communication and understanding at both ends of the spectrum. That means a teacher and a student tackling the issues head on. How likely is that to happen in today’s society?

One last thought. I'd be curious to see a real life survey that documents how many of the people running these programs have adhered to these principles throughout their own lives. It's one thing to push an ideal; it's another entirely if the very ideal your pushing is one you've disobeyed.

[hornetguy]

well said!

[Duke]

I found an article or two about school abstinence programs with some information you may find a little scary. I'll be posting them on the front page this weekend and directing any conversation on these articles to this topic.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Duke

The only thing that works is communication and understanding at both ends of the spectrum. That means a teacher and a student tackling the issues head on. How likely is that to happen in today’s society?

I understand where you're coming from Duke but actually I've been involved in an abstinence program which encouraged me to stay abstinent. The difference for me is I learned what I needed where I was supposed to, at home.

When did it become the school's responsibility to teach your kids basic things like sex ed. and abstinence, personally I think it's retarded. What kind of parents leave it to a school system to teach their children the basic facts of life? What kind of message does that send to the child when even mom and dad can't sit down and explain how things work and give you their views on healthy sexual behavior? Now I do understand that there are situtions where there are no parents, single and both parent families where the parents can't talk to the child, are afraid to or are living a lifestyle which is just a bad example and the kids wouldn't learn any other way except from the school or their friends, in fact I'm happy the school does teach sex ed. etc. for this reason, all I'm saying is this area is definetly the parents responsibility and the fact that they neglect to take a role in the teaching of these things says a lot about our society and the way sex is viewed.

As for " it's another entirely if the very ideal your pushing is one you've disobeyed", I concur. However people can realize the mistakes they've made and teach others what they wish they had done. Also most likely a child isn't going to know much if anything about the sexual practises of the teacher in question. Personally I think it's much more important that abstinence be taught by whoever, rather then not, and as a parent if you're concerned about these issues you should do it right, do it yourself and do it at home.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Duke

I found an article or two about school abstinence programs with some information you may find a little scary. I'll be posting them on the front page this weekend and directing any conversation on these articles to this topic.

btw did you post these yet because I can't find them, would love to use them as a reference.

[Duke]

No I haven't posted them yet but will shortly. I ran across another few articles so I'll make reference to all of them.

[Mondo]

Originally Posted by hornetguy

yes it's true, but they think abstinence programs work better, where as condoms should compliment it where desires and feeling begin to overrun rational feelings, whether or not they can abstain or not.

I don't think absinence programs work, especially in non catholic/methodist countries/areas. People are gonna find someone they like and give into natural urges, governments may as well let people know the dangers and provide condoms.

The abstinence stuff I've read about is usually stemming from the church and they just say sex is bad, you could get diseases and things will drop off. Thats not the way to educate people on it. I don't think they eve bother with that sort of thing in the UK anymore. They just give sex education in schools when your 13/14.

Doesn't seem to stop the growing amounts of single mothers though here though.

[Duke]

Ya I love that method of teaching, scare them into not doing it. What a joke.

Knowledge is power baby.

[Merika]

I think if a child is only taught the physical portion such as outcome and protection...it goes a very long way.

I also think if a child is ALSO taught the MORALS involved....it goes even further.

:lovedoctor:

[Duke]

Hopefully the child has been taught morals since child birth.