Someone is threatening to kill my sister

Anon · 06-13-2008, 05:12 PM

Here is what happened. My sister, whom is in her early 20s, was arguing with her ex-boyfriend outside of a bar one night. The ex-boyfriend (whom I'll call Steve from now on), started getting rowdy. He hit her. My sister's friends came to the rescue and kind of pummeled Steve to the ground. Steve took revenge by calling up his friends and severely injuring the friends that had initially rescued her. My sister called the police. Several days later, the detective, whom was assigned to her case, told her that this was now a criminal investigation of Steve and his buddies, for attempted murder.

Now, my sister was working last night, and one of Steve's friends came by. He told her, in a calm manner, that if any of them go to jail, her, mine, my dad, and my mom's life would all be in danger. I asked her if she could envision these people killing another in cold blood, and she said "yes."

Since this is a criminal investigation, she is powerless to stop the suit. She cannot go to the police and tell them about the threat as that may only provoke Steve et al to act sooner, rather than later.

I asked if she could somehow provoke them to repeat the death threat, while she records it on her phone or something.

I have to mention that these kids have a relatively wide influence and a police bust would probably not prevent Steve et al from coming after us, as they may just send another person.

I just need advice on what to do in this situation. Or a method to fool them into incriminating themselves.

Duke · 06-13-2008, 06:12 PM

Man that is a brutal story my friend, I'm very sorry to hear it.

The only thing I can think of is since the police are already involved ask them if they can tap your phone lines. The other thing I'd suggest is to start carrying around a portable tape recorder and try to catch one of these tards on tape.

Other than that I'd suggest beefed up home security and perhaps closed circuit TV if you're really concerned.

I'd also suggest getting a decent sized guard dog such as a German Shepard or something similar.

BTW, welcome to Lifesupporters.com Anon, it's great to have you with us although it would be nice if the circumstances weren't so dire.

Good Luck and please keep us posted!

TKDLady · 06-13-2008, 06:27 PM

I think you should inform the police of the situation. It doesn't sound like you have any more to lose. Duke's advice is pretty good too. The tape recorder and beefed up household security is a must I think. I also wish your circumstances for being here were better but welcome and hopefully this situation will get fixed and you can relax and join us here.

Anon · 06-13-2008, 06:52 PM

Yea, it really seems like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. I am considering about going to the police myself, as I don't trust my sister to ENSURE that the police actually do something to protect us. The fact of the matter is is that there are 4 main people who are responsible, and 3 of them are quite close to where my sister currently lives. The other one fled somewhere. My biggest fear is that maybe the police won't be able to capture all of them, and we will still be in danger.

Duke · 06-13-2008, 07:36 PM

Definitely get involved if you're not sure your sister is handling the situation correctly. The other thing I wonder about is possibly hiring a Private Investigator.

I know if this were happening to me and my family I'd likely take a more proactive approach and tail these guys everywhere with a camera. I can't imagine my families welfare being threatened but if it were I'd do all I can to take the bull by the horns to ensure their safety.

Good luck!

Anon · 06-13-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke

Definitely get involved if you're not sure your sister is handling the situation correctly. The other thing I wonder about is possibly hiring a Private Investigator.

I know if this were happening to me and my family I'd likely take a more proactive approach and tail these guys everywhere with a camera. I can't imagine my families welfare being threatened but if it were I'd do all I can to take the bull by the horns to ensure their safety.

Good luck!

The only problem is I personally do not know much about these cretins at all. I can't provide all that much to the detective besides what my sister has told me. A PI sounds like a good prospect but I'm not too sure because it may instigate more violence. Overall, I am too scared to do anything and too scared to not do anything. All of the "what ifs" keep popping up in my head.

TKDLady · 06-13-2008, 09:13 PM

What if she gets killed, then how will you feel. If you feel this threat is real than do something. If you aren't sure of all the details, take your sister to the police station and be with her to ensure she takes care of it. Don't wait until it is too late.

Anon · 06-13-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TKDLady

What if she gets killed, then how will you feel. If you feel this threat is real than do something. If you aren't sure of all the details, take your sister to the police station and be with her to ensure she takes care of it. Don't wait until it is too late.

That's easy for you to say. You don't understand the situation I am in. If I DO go to the police, I may unwittingly cause Steve and his buddies to take it out on us, if they find out. This is a situation where my entire family's lives are in danger. I don't want to do anything if there is no guarantee that it'll make the situation better.

I just need a method to obtain irrefutable evidence, to cause the police to expedite their arrest. The faster they are off the street, the safer we will be.

Also, can one police precinct cooperate with another precinct in another state simultaneously? Since, the person who fled is now out-of-state, I need to make sure that they have the ability to cooperate to get these dangers off the street.

Duke · 06-13-2008, 10:54 PM

No matter what you do Anon you may always have the frame of mind that you stirred up the hornets nest or you may not. I would think that if anonymity is the key goal then a P.I. may be in your best interests.

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Originally Posted by Anon

Also, can one police precinct cooperate with another precinct in another state simultaneously? Since, the person who fled is now out-of-state, I need to make sure that they have the ability to cooperate to get these dangers off the street.

I'm not a cop but I've seen enough of Master Minds, America's Most Wanted and other cop shows to know they do work hand in hand with other jurisdictions. The key of course is whether or not these people are known to police or if they are not. If they are known offenders they'll likely garner more police attention.

Your situation sounds to me like you don't have the tools to do much investigative work so it's really in your best interests to protect your home. Try to get out of habit forming routines where someone can follow you based off your known habits. Make sure you all carry cellphones preferably cellphones with onboard cameras. I'd also suggest you all check in with each other regularly just so you all know everyone is safe.

If you see something strange then report it to the cops (and each other) immediately. Try to get license plates and never travel alone if you can avoid it.

darkangelism · 06-13-2008, 11:35 PM

leave, if its that dangerous dont go home go stay with friends or family that live far away. I personally would go buy a gun, but thats a harder thing to tell you to do, depending on where you live and your beliefs.

Duke · 06-13-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by darkangelism

leave, if its that dangerous dont go home go stay with friends or family that live far away. I personally would go buy a gun, but thats a harder thing to tell you to do, depending on where you live and your beliefs.

Just so you know this is da's idea and is in no way sanctioned by Lifesupporters.com.

The last thing we ever want around here is to advise members to carry firearms.

Weiser · 06-14-2008, 01:16 AM

Well, my advice would be to go to the police with all the information you know. Try to keep updated with the investigation. Also, a PI would be a good idea. It might be a little pricey, but if you can afford it, please look in to it.

Where abouts are you located if you mind me asking? My dad was in the RCMP for 35 years and headed up his own detachment for quite some time, when he retired he became a PI. Most of the PI's out there are retired/ex-cops and know how to keep out of sight. They will do their job and no one will be the wiser. They will do video surveillance and keep excellent notes on everything from what the suspect was eating, to what they were carrying, how much it approximately weighed, etc, etc. I mean they keep note of even the most minor detail. I would strongly suggest you do this and talk to one.

As for guns? Well, my dad had one, but like I said he was RCMP. If anything I would say to pick up some pepper (bear) spray. I've been hit by that stuff at a bar once when some smarta$$ thought it would be a good idea to spray it on the dance floor and I dropped like a fly. I'm not exactly a small little guy either.

What type of people are you dealing with anyways? HA, bikers? If you are, I sincerely hope the best for you and your family - and if you are, I suggest you pack up and move. I was a young stupid kid once upon a time and "worked" for some of those guys. Not very nice people.

edit - as for your question on if different departments work together, the answer is most definately yes. Even if one of those guys leaves the country, the police will work the the RCMP up here. Also, if you are worried that going to the police might some how tip Steve off, don't be. They are professionals and this is their lively hood. They know what they are doing and they deal with situations like this all the time. They WILL know how to handle your situation correctly.