[darkangelism]

i dont believe in the fact that humans are affecting the temperature of the earth any more today then they were 5000 years ago, how come the earth is warmer now in the last 20 years but not 100 years ago when we polluted more out of factories? or deforested eastern US over the last 5 centuries, created the sahara desert by deforestation?


sorry for the bad formatting, i really dont want to edit it to make it look clean,lol.

Here are some quotes from various scientists

"Timothy F. Ball, former Professor of Geography, University of Winnipeg: "[The world's climate] warmed from 1680 up to 1940, but since 1940 it's been cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The satellite data, for example, shows cooling." (November 2004)[5] "There's been warming, no question. I've never debated that; never disputed that. The dispute is, what is the cause. And of course the argument that human CO2 being added to the atmosphere is the cause just simply doesn't hold up..." (May 18, 2006; at 15:30 into recording of interview)[6] "The temperature hasn't gone up. ... But the mood of the world has changed: It has heated up to this belief in global warming." (August 2006)[7] "Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. ... By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling." (Feb. 5, 2007)"

• Robert M. Carter, geologist, researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia: "the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998 ... there is every doubt whether any global warming at all is occurring at the moment, let alone human-caused warming."[9]

• Vincent R. Gray, coal chemist, climate consultant, founder of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition: "The two main 'scientific' claims of the IPCC are the claim that 'the globe is warming' and 'Increases in carbon dioxide emissions are responsible'. Evidence for both of these claims is fatally flawed."[10]

• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences: "There has been no warming since 1997 and no statistically significant warming since 1995." [11][12]"Most of the climate community has agreed since 1988 that global mean temperatures have increased on the order of one degree Fahrenheit over the past century, having risen significantly from about 1919 to 1940, decreased between 1940 and the early ’70s, increased again until the ’90s, and remaining essentially flat since 1998."

And some light reading, my view is more common then you may think, im just not influenced by the fearmongering media.


Dr. Tim Ball, Historical Climatologist On the real danger for Canada, global cooling Frontier Centre for Public Policy Climate of controversy Ottawa Citizen May 2006 Mr.Cool Nurturing doubt about climate change is big business August 2006
4. Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? Ball, Timothy Canada Free Press February 2007
5. "High price for load of hot air". Retrieved on 2007-12-18.
6. New Zealand Climate Science Coalition - CALL FOR REVIEW OF UN IPCC
7. "A note from Richard Lindzen on statistically significant warming « Watts Up With That?". Retrieved on 2008-06-20.
8. "Presentation to Timbro". Retrieved on 2008-06-20.
9. There is no consensus on Global Warming appeared in The San Francisco Examiner July 2006 and in The Wall Street Journal, June 26, 2006, Page A14 10. Climate stability: an inconvenient proof Bellamy, Barrett Thomas Telford Journals May 2007
11. A Skeptical View of Climate Models Tennekes, Hendrik from Science & Environmental Policy Project SEPP - Science & Environmental Policy Project
12. Global Warming Natural, Says Expert Zenit April 2007
13. Russian academic says CO2 not to blame for global warming Russian News & Information Agency, January 2007
14. Russian scientist issues global cooling warning Russian News & Information Agency August 2006
15. Global Warming Science vs. Computer Model Speculation: Just Ask the Experts Capitalism Magazine, August 2002
16. Wisconsin's Energy Cooperative May 2007
17. On global forces of nature driving the Earth’s climate. Are humans involved? L. F. Khilyuk1 and G. V. Chilingar Environmental Geology, vol. 50 no. 6, August 2006
18. Letter to the editor The Hill Times, March 2004
19. Newsmax.com - New Study Explodes Human-Global Warming Story
20. The Cause of Global Warming and Predictions for the Coming Century Easterbrook, Don
21. Viewpoint: Get off warming bandwagon Gray, William BBC November 2000
22. The Tempest Achenbach, Joel The Washington Post May 2006
23. Discover Dialogue: Meteorologist William Gray Discover September 2005 24. Climate Change: A Natural Hazard
25. An Unrepentant Prognosticator Krueger, Mari Gelf Magazine, April 2007 26. Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts National Center for Policy Analysis May 2006
27. M. Leroux, Global Warming - Myth or Reality?, 2005, p. 120 Global warning? Controversy heats up in the scientific community Robinson, Cindy Carleton University Spring 2005
29. Dr. Patterson Page at Carleton University
30. Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe Harris, Tom Canada Free Press June 2006
31. Read the Sunspots Patterson, Timothy Financial Post June 2007
32. Wild weather ignites climate change debate
33. http://folk.uio.no/tomvs/esef/np070707.pdf
34. Models trump measurements Lawrence Solomon Financial Post July 07, 2007
35. Carbon Dioxide or Solar Forcing? ScienceBits
36. The Earth currently is experiencing a warming trend, but there is scientific evidence that human activities have little to do with it Christian Science Monitor April 2005
37. The Physical Evidence of Earth’s Unstoppable 1,500-Year Climate Cycle Singer, Fred et al NCPA Study No. 279, September 2005
38. The Denial Machine CBC's Denial machine @ 19:23 - Google Video Link
39. Global warming is not so hot: 1003 was worse, researchers find Harvard University Gazette April 2003
40. Essay 1: 'Global Warming' as Myth A Parliament of Things
41. Influence of Cosmic Rays on the Earth's Climate Svensmark, Henry Danish National Space Center, Juliane Maries Vej 30, DK-2100 Copenhagen 42. Celestial climate driver: a perspective from four billion years of the carbon cycle and here In J. Veizer, , Geoscience Canada, March 2005
43. On the Fundamental Defect in the IPCC’s Approach to Global Warming Research Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group Weblog, June 15 2007
44. Climat: la prévention, oui, la peur, non (Translation from the original French version in L'Express, May 2006
45. The Increase in Global Temperature: What it Does and Does Not Tell Us Balling, Robert George C. Marshall Institute, Policy Outlook September 2003
46. Christy, John (2007-11-01). "My Nobel Moment". Wall Street Journal. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
47. A Long Term Perspective on Climate Change - Heartland.org
48. Global Climate Change: A Global Climate Change: A Skeptics Perspective Presentation by William R. Cotton
49. http://www.climatescience.org.nz/assets/2006510223000.CSC_News_3.PDF The New Zealand Herald, May 2006
50. Testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works December 2006
51. Satellite Temperature data John Christy & Roy Spencer George C. Marshall Institute Washington Roundtable on Science and Public Policy April 2006
52. A Science--Based Rebuttal to the Testimony of Al Gore before the United States Senate Environment & Public Works Committee[dead links] 53. Enhanced or Impaired? Human Health in a CO2-Enriched Warmer World co2science.org November 2003 p. 30
54. Posturing and Reality on Warming Michaels, Patric CATO Institute October 2006 [/font]