[Vautrin]

[quote="Merika"]

You got any figures to back that up? Here are the REAL figures:

Think of all the exports made possible by the use of illegal labour. Think of the fact that a lot of corporations would be completely out of business if it were not for illegal labor, with all its dire consequences. Admittedly, that has its downside too (less innovation, limiting true capitalistic competition, but corporations simply do not care that much about that anyway).

American citizens: College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.

Blame the alien, or blame the cheapass who is rich enough to buy a big house, but too poor / greedy to pay a decent wage?

Not only do young American not have jobs; their parents are paying taxes for illegal aliens who are not paying taxes.

Considering that the illegal aliens do pay taxes of some sorts (even if it is by virtue of wage they do not receive), these "taxes" disappear in the pockets of whomever hires them at these low wages. That won't be the average Joe, it are either:
a) wealthy Americans who can afford hiring the nannies, gardeners, etc.
b) big international corporations who need it to survive in a competitive market
c) small corporations

Annually, 75 percent of drugs arrive from Mexico at a net cost of $120 billion hard currency that leaves our country for good.

Capitalism works like that. If you refuse to create a local market (to grow all these drugs) that fulfills these needs, people will get it from elsewhere.
Over here we have a similar problem with marihuana. It simply would be a lot cheaper to grow our own stuff, governments can tax it, and check for quality at all times as well.

That applies to drugs too. With the added cost of the illegality of the whole thing adding quite a bit to the costs of the drugs. Just as the US does not get all of its oil from the local market, but prefers getting a large portion from other countries as well.

In addition, our tax dollars pay $80 billion for the War on Drugs each year.

The whole project is a waste of money, and with the methods used, it seems even likely to have increased drug production (because of the strategies used in Colombia for instance), thus forcing farmers often to grow coca-plants, because the gains are much bigger than with other crops, and those other crops don't offer any additional protection against the War on Drugs, nor would those crops be sufficient in a lot of cases for a decent livelihood.

It is a war that hasn’t been won in the past 30 years and drugs are as available today to your teenager as they were in 1970.

2.4 trillion dollars wasted (assuming equal real spending) over the course of 30 years.

When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons—not to mention TV, movies, weight rooms and other entertainment—they enjoy while being incarcerated.

A similar statistic applies to the legal people in the US. With possibly two added things (I am guessing here, but if the US judicial system works a bit like here, it should apply):
a) illegal immigrants get harsher sentences on average. Thus costing more because of that.
b) poverty effects. If you are too poor to pay for a product itself, but feel you desperately need it, you have to steal it. And the poorer you are, the more likely it is you have to resort to all these thug-like methods of obtaining things.

Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. The American taxpayer pays for food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother.

That applies not only to illegal immigrants. I already mentioned the Korean women.

The average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs.

You forgot to add in the money that is not spent on all these taxes, by "virtue" of them receiving to little for their labor. That ends up in the corporations' pocket, or in the pocket of whomever employs them.
I think a few years ago a Representative was caught with having an illegal immigrant as his nanny. Just goes to show that a lot of people, don't mind screwing the US, if it benefits themselves.

With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004)

You should add in the money that people save and are not turned into taxes as a result of that as well. If rich people (sorry for the generalization) use a lot of illegal immigrant labor, they are part of the problem as well.

How about the $56 billion in pure cash illegal migrants sent to their home countries last year and every year? That’s after their kids enjoyed free education, free lunches and free medical care paid for by you.

You would almost think that $3,000 a year is a capital. It is not. If they get paid half of what they would be entitled to as legal immigrants, they are paying in the system too. It simply does not turn up in the taxes, but that is because of the taxing system itself. If you refuse to tax people who dodge paying decent wages for people they hire, the money is simply disappearing in their pockets.

With a minimum of 15 million illegal aliens in our country, these figures are the tip of the iceberg. Average bilingual education is $1,200.00 per illegal alien student.

Cheap. I would pay US $750 for a simple course on Dutch (with native language English). And that is after all kinds of subsidies, so either it does not amount to squat or is extremely highly efficient. I would think the former though.

Get this! We educate 1.1 million illegal alien children each year. The American public has paid $27 billion to provide forms, ballots, interpreters and brochures for languages other than English in 2003.

The Dutch have a simple solution for that: acknowledge Spanish as an official language and refuse to print anything in that language. That is what they are doing with the Frisians:x.

And you have to, because both wings of the Party (Republican and Democratic) are afraid to lose offices as a result of any commited stance they could take on the issue.
The idiotic idea to check that labor laws are upheld --> problems with businesses.
The idiotic idea to ban illegal immigration --> problems with their voters
The idiotic idea to legalize a portion of the current illegal aliens --> problems with their voters, problems with businesses.
Net result? Nothing happens, the problem persists, and everyone in office at least happy that it has not gone wrong.

An estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually.

Two-thirds are on the books, yet the US refuses to arrest the people who are responsible for willingly and knowingly dodging US labor laws? Makes perfect nonsense. That would apply to both the illegal immigrant and the people hiring them.

California with over three million illegals paid $79 million, and four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004.

Happens with the funding method in the US. The same is happening here, where illegal people are simply refused treatment because it cannot be paid for. Or are given treatment, and the people who are responsible for the treatment hoping that the hospital does not go bankrupt. BTW, I am sad to say that the same is starting to happen with people who are native Dutch as well, because of idiotic money-consuming changes in the health care system.

What are the consequences? One in two adult African-Americans in New York is unemployed. African-American children’s poverty grew by 50 percent since 1999. Why? Their dads can’t find work.

It is not only African-American children who suffer from that. And in a country where real wages have declined for more than 35 years, for all levels of the population, except for the upper 20%, it is highly doubtful that it is all because of illegal immigration.

Furthermore, if the increase is so substantial and the government really cared about it, it would have actually done something about the illegal aliens, and those who profit from using their labor. So far, it has been a silence of deafening proportions.

It costs the taxpayer, $68 billion a year.

Only because you refuse to tax / fine the people who are profitting from illegal labor.