[Vautrin]

Originally Posted by tkdlady

I certainly didn't mean to offend you or anyone else, Vautrin.

I was not offended at all tkdlady. Just pointing out how we solved the issue (and as people who are here illegally cannot make money in any way they are forced into crime or prostitution). Which is booming business right now.

Illegal immigrants do put a drain on our economy and don't pay into it.

Over here it is the opposite: they are often forced to pay for social premiums and such, without even possibly benefitting from them.

Including retirement schemes (which on a population level are more benefitting the rich than the poor but that is besides the point), basic healthcare services, unemployment benefits, not to mention that they are often forced to work under sub-par levels (working hours, pay per hour, sick leave, etc.). All those premiums are paid by the worker, and either disappear in the bosses' pockets, or in the social security system.


It is not the worker who makes the economy, but the company. The company does not give a jack, whether you or anyone else can't make a decent living. In fact, competitively speaking, they prefer you not to - to the level that you still consume their products though.

For example: If Macrosoft can't compete if it would pay all its personnel $500K a year, it might be a solution for Macrosoft to hire some illegal immigrants for $20K a year. The result is the same for the company, but the consequences drastically different. So a few Americans lose out on those Macrosoft-jobs, but Macrosoft would be a competitive corporation world-wide because of that. Thus creating more jobs, etc. Would be good for other Americans as well.

I realize the people that hire them are also the problem because they don't want to pay a decent wage and they can get away with it because the illegal person isn't going to complain too much.

I suppose there are laws that apply to corporations as well. And as shocking as it may be, these laws could be upheld (I know, this is a major fear of big business), so the question would be, why there are practically no resources spent on catching these corporations.

I would not be surprised if the RIAA gets more money, than everything that is supposed to uphold the laws on these matters.

I am sorry that conditions are so bad in their country but there are legal ways to enter ours and millions of others have for hundreds of years.

Legal ways? I doubt it, and certainly does not apply for everyone. Besides, who wants to hire a legal Mexican, protected by American law, and thus having a legal claim to a decent pay? Why not hire the illegal Mexican, for whom all this does not apply?

Why pay someone $5,72 /hour if you can find someone who eagerly does it for less than half of that, without legal rights, and a strong work ethic - which is necessary to avoid a boss snitching on you?