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matthewmurcia · 07-13-2005, 06:07 PM

I think in this big globalised super war on terror and axes of evil, someone is setting muslims up as a scapegoat for everything. Most muslims don't hate anybody as much as most christians or jews don't and I'll tell you a little story about the bombings here in Madrid last year and the explanations given by a socialist arab expert in Murcia a few months later.

She talked for about half an hour and basically explained the follwoing:

1- that socioeconomic reasons (unemployment, immigration, residence papers, culture differences) were to blame than just being muslim;
2 - that we should also look at the historical perspective of colonialist intervention, especially in N Africa and the Middle East.

Now, normally I consider myself to be more liberal and open minded (as the speaker purported to be) but as I left the conference I was left feeling myself to be more in agreement with the right wingers who had shouted her down than what she had said. This is why:

1- if the problem is really no jobs, bad housing, no reception process or integration effort being made then the problem is 1000 times bigger than anyone is imaging. I am an immigrant in Spain and I have not met one single immigrant, from whichever country, that has not had somekind of socioeconomic problem with the administration, a dodgy landlord or a boss who wants to mistreat you just because you're immigrant.
2 - there are other people in the world who have bigger axes to grind with western interventionism than N Africa and the Middle East. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, black Africa (especially with Britain, France, Belgium and Holland) and the sacking of Latin America by the Spaniards in the 16th century.

However, in NYC, Madrid, Bali and Casablanca, not one of the perpetrators was a cuban complaning that the immigration service hadn't processed his papers quick enouhg, not one Japanese citizen full of hatred for Nagasaki, one Zimbabwean complaing about 19th century colonial exploits with his great grandad's wife and sisters, nor one peruvian with a bitch about Spanish gold stealing from the Incas.

All of them were muslim, most of them were educated and all of them were angry. Someone, somewhere is not telling us something. And now it's happening in the UK after the London bombings.

07-13-2005, 06:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
matthewmurcia Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 76	Who thinks Muslims are being set up? I think in this big globalised super war on terror and axes of evil, someone is setting muslims up as a scapegoat for everything. Most muslims don't hate anybody as much as most christians or jews don't and I'll tell you a little story about the bombings here in Madrid last year and the explanations given by a socialist arab expert in Murcia a few months later. She talked for about half an hour and basically explained the follwoing: 1- that socioeconomic reasons (unemployment, immigration, residence papers, culture differences) were to blame than just being muslim; 2 - that we should also look at the historical perspective of colonialist intervention, especially in N Africa and the Middle East. Now, normally I consider myself to be more liberal and open minded (as the speaker purported to be) but as I left the conference I was left feeling myself to be more in agreement with the right wingers who had shouted her down than what she had said. This is why: 1- if the problem is really no jobs, bad housing, no reception process or integration effort being made then the problem is 1000 times bigger than anyone is imaging. I am an immigrant in Spain and I have not met one single immigrant, from whichever country, that has not had somekind of socioeconomic problem with the administration, a dodgy landlord or a boss who wants to mistreat you just because you're immigrant. 2 - there are other people in the world who have bigger axes to grind with western interventionism than N Africa and the Middle East. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, black Africa (especially with Britain, France, Belgium and Holland) and the sacking of Latin America by the Spaniards in the 16th century. However, in NYC, Madrid, Bali and Casablanca, not one of the perpetrators was a cuban complaning that the immigration service hadn't processed his papers quick enouhg, not one Japanese citizen full of hatred for Nagasaki, one Zimbabwean complaing about 19th century colonial exploits with his great grandad's wife and sisters, nor one peruvian with a bitch about Spanish gold stealing from the Incas. All of them were muslim, most of them were educated and all of them were angry. Someone, somewhere is not telling us something. And now it's happening in the UK after the London bombings.