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Mondo · 10-20-2004, 03:41 PM

Why? Its not about why, its about the BS that surrounded it.

First it was terror links which later on where proven beyond doubt to be untrue. What was proved was Al queda actually didn't like Saddam and they had a tenous relationship at best.

Also, have you heard of the terrorism in Northern Ireland and the UK over the last century? IRA etc How was that funded? The US allowed Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguinness (A known terrorist and has later confest to several murders) and the Sinfein, the political wing of the biggest terrorist organisation in western europe, the IRA to collect funds and raise money in the US (despite there ban in Britian and them being known as the political wing of the IRA to the US). Then they killed British citizens and soldiers with the weapons they bought with that money. Now when the US and UK governments brought the terrorism card to the table in the build up to the war can you see how pissed off that made me and many other UK citizens? The utter hypocrisy of it.

Terrorism around the world is now on the up because of the war. To add, Tony Blair showed his total nievity as well. The last major terrorist theat in western europe was the IRA. How was that issue solved after 30 years of violence and 2000 dead? By diplomatic means. We tried violence, that just pissed them off more so they made more bombs and killed more British people. See where Im going on this?

Then there was WMD's. We all knew that Saddam had none, proffessional inspectors said he had none then the US refused to allow a deadline for inspectors and bullied other nations into submission and France said no for very legitimate reasons and then Rumsfeld very childishly branded them "cheese eating surrender monkeys". Very grown up.

*BTW, USA, get your own nemesis, the French is the nemesis of Great Britain, we have sole rights to making fun out of them

*

Admittedly Saddam could have let people in earlier but what sort of message does that send to the world and US? That the US can bully there way into any country cause it doesn't like them (legitimate reason or not).

Also the UN is another reason, If it helps please read why the League of nations failed and the United Nations was set by none other than a US president and a British Prime minister. That will explain allot of why the handling of the war in Iraq by the US was retarded and totally Illegal. It makes a complete mockery of the US, British and Commonwealth servicemen who died 60 years ago.

Then there is this:

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
Please read, its good. Its also true

Then theres oil. The US is the biggest consumer of oil. 5 million barrels a day. They want a cheap supplier, they have one now and all there companies are in charge of the oil supply as the contract were only awarded to US companies. OPEC controls oil prices. The US is subject to OPEC raising or lowering the price. IF they US controls the oil (Iraq has something like the worlds 2nd biggest supply) who gives a f*ck about OPEC!?!?

Then theres humanitarian aspect. The US and Britian pulled that card out there that when the WMD's issue was falling flat. IF the US and the UK gave a sh*t about Humanitarian problems they would have done the job in 1991 when the bulk of the British Army and nearly all there tanks were a few miles from Basra, there was a revolt there and literally thousands died because of Saddam suppressing it. We could have stopped that, if humanitarian issues were really concerning to them then they would be in Darfur now, they would be in Somalia and not pulled out. And they would not be using depleted Uranium weapons or cluster munitions which are proven to pollute and kill for years after they are used. The mind truly boggles.

BTW, im not some left wing hippy, I like beer, red meat, women, sport, being childish, computer games, all healthy manly things

but this war in Iraq is probably the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen. I must also add I don't hate the US, I hate the current administrations foriegn policy and BS surrounding these wars there creating.

Also I'd like to add the current problem is Iraq is actually the fault of the UK. You'll need to read up on the history of the middle east last century but the fault lays with when Britian was an Empire.

10-20-2004, 03:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mondo Established Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 339	Why? Its not about why, its about the BS that surrounded it. First it was terror links which later on where proven beyond doubt to be untrue. What was proved was Al queda actually didn't like Saddam and they had a tenous relationship at best. Also, have you heard of the terrorism in Northern Ireland and the UK over the last century? IRA etc How was that funded? The US allowed Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguinness (A known terrorist and has later confest to several murders) and the Sinfein, the political wing of the biggest terrorist organisation in western europe, the IRA to collect funds and raise money in the US (despite there ban in Britian and them being known as the political wing of the IRA to the US). Then they killed British citizens and soldiers with the weapons they bought with that money. Now when the US and UK governments brought the terrorism card to the table in the build up to the war can you see how pissed off that made me and many other UK citizens? The utter hypocrisy of it. Terrorism around the world is now on the up because of the war. To add, Tony Blair showed his total nievity as well. The last major terrorist theat in western europe was the IRA. How was that issue solved after 30 years of violence and 2000 dead? By diplomatic means. We tried violence, that just pissed them off more so they made more bombs and killed more British people. See where Im going on this? Then there was WMD's. We all knew that Saddam had none, proffessional inspectors said he had none then the US refused to allow a deadline for inspectors and bullied other nations into submission and France said no for very legitimate reasons and then Rumsfeld very childishly branded them "cheese eating surrender monkeys". Very grown up. BTW, USA, get your own nemesis, the French is the nemesis of Great Britain, we have sole rights to making fun out of them Admittedly Saddam could have let people in earlier but what sort of message does that send to the world and US? That the US can bully there way into any country cause it doesn't like them (legitimate reason or not). Also the UN is another reason, If it helps please read why the League of nations failed and the United Nations was set by none other than a US president and a British Prime minister. That will explain allot of why the handling of the war in Iraq by the US was retarded and totally Illegal. It makes a complete mockery of the US, British and Commonwealth servicemen who died 60 years ago. Then there is this: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ Please read, its good. Its also true Then theres oil. The US is the biggest consumer of oil. 5 million barrels a day. They want a cheap supplier, they have one now and all there companies are in charge of the oil supply as the contract were only awarded to US companies. OPEC controls oil prices. The US is subject to OPEC raising or lowering the price. IF they US controls the oil (Iraq has something like the worlds 2nd biggest supply) who gives a fck about OPEC!?!? Then theres humanitarian aspect. The US and Britian pulled that card out there that when the WMD's issue was falling flat. IF the US and the UK gave a sht about Humanitarian problems they would have done the job in 1991 when the bulk of the British Army and nearly all there tanks were a few miles from Basra, there was a revolt there and literally thousands died because of Saddam suppressing it. We could have stopped that, if humanitarian issues were really concerning to them then they would be in Darfur now, they would be in Somalia and not pulled out. And they would not be using depleted Uranium weapons or cluster munitions which are proven to pollute and kill for years after they are used. The mind truly boggles. BTW, im not some left wing hippy, I like beer, red meat, women, sport, being childish, computer games, all healthy manly things but this war in Iraq is probably the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen. I must also add I don't hate the US, I hate the current administrations foriegn policy and BS surrounding these wars there creating. Also I'd like to add the current problem is Iraq is actually the fault of the UK. You'll need to read up on the history of the middle east last century but the fault lays with when Britian was an Empire.